[Watch] Obama Preparing “My Military” For Next Step?

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On October 12, 2013, ABC’s Dianne Sawyer brought us a video of a 9th, yes 9th, General fired from the military this week. It’s even reaching some of the more liberal stations and begging them to ask the question, “What is going on?” It seems President Obama is preparing what he calls “my military” for his version of the final solution. With all the documentation we have, it looks as though he is purging the military for the next step.

We have now seen this official President Obama temper-tantrum in action this week. But is it a temper-tantrum or is there a method to his madness?

We have been warned by a Pentagon Official to expect radical changes. You heard of our dire warnings of Chinese Economists planning to foreclose and forming the TPP Treaty that could set a global economy in motion. We have the very real possibility of 16 U.S. States being shutdown and handed over due to debt in this mess. We even have a CIA whistle blower warning us that President Obama wants to radically take over power. People are crying out, where is our military in this mess?

Well, there seems to be some very credible evidence that since last year and through this year that there has been a “litmus test” given to American Military Officers. The Main point of that test, “Would you fire on an American Citizen?” If you say no, then as Donald Trump would say, “Your fired!” Since the beginning of the year these retired officer’s have came forward with ““President Obama is preparing for war against the U.S.”.  We even know Dr. Garrow and others confirmed this litmus test. Then we have heard President Obama himself talk about “My Military”.

And this isn’t all. This strange chain of firings from the Military is so bizarre and so unheard of that even Dianne Sawyer of ABC news reached out to cover it when the 9th, yes 9th, Military Commanding Officer was relieved of duty in less than a year. This doesn’t include the long list last year, this is just the nine individuals this year alone.

Gen HamGeneral Carter Hamm, United States Army-Served as head of the United States African Command. Was in charge of the US African command during the fateful night of September 11, 2012 when the lives of four American citizens was taken in the Embassy in Benghazi. Hamm was extremely critical  of our Commander and Chief and stated he lied about not having reinforcements in the area on that night. Hamm “resigned and retired” on April of 2013.

 

 

thumb_RDML GaouetteRear Admiral Charles Gaouette/United States Navy-Commander of Carrier Strike Group Three. His most recent activity served as Deputy Commander of the US Naval Forces, US Central Command. He was in charge of Air Craft Carriers in the Mediterranean Sea the night of September 11, 2012. He testified before the hearing committee and said that there may not have been time to get the flight crews there but left the door open on if told when the events took place if that he could have had the aircraft launched upon cross-examination by Rep. Tray Gowdey. Recently fired from the Administrative post and relieved of Duty by the Obama Administration for “utterance of a racial slur”.

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Major General Ralph Baker, United States Army- Major General Baker served as the Commander of the Joint Task Force-Horn at Camp Lamar, Djibouti, Africa. Was also involved in some aspect with the incident September 11, 2012, being under the African Command. Had said he believed attack helicopters could have made it in time. Relieved of command and fired for groping a civilian (no assault charges or sexual misconduct charges filed with JAG)

 

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 Brigadier General Bryan Roberts, United States Army-General Roberts took command of  Fort Jackson in 2011. Was considered a rising star in his field. He served in Iraq during his service as the Commanding Officer of the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, and was the Deputy Commanding General of the United States Army Recruiting Command, Fort Knox, KY. Relieved of Duty and Fired for Adultery. While this is still on the books in the United States Code of Military Justice, it has rarely been used since President Bill Clinton’s indiscretions.

 

MG_Gregg_SturdevantMajor General Gregg A. Sturdevant, United States Marine Corps-Director of Strategic Planning and Policy of  for the United States Pacific Command and Commander of the aviation wing at Camp Bastion, Afghanistan. Highly decorated soldier with two Naval and Marine Commendations and two Naval and Marine Good Conduct medals. He also has an Air Medal with a gold star. He served honorably and distinctively. He had asked about supplies to his command. He was one of two commanding officers suddenly relieved of command and fired from the military for failure of proper force protection.

MG_Charles_GurganusMajor General Charles M.M. Gurganus, United States Marine Corps- Regional Commander in the Southwest and I Marine Expeditionary Force (a forward or frontal division) in Afghanistan. Also Highly decorated with a Defense Superior Service Medal, two Legion of Merritt w/Valor, and three Meritorious Service Commendations. Major General C.M.M.Gurganus had questioned the use of Afghanistan patrols along side American patrols after two officers were executed at their desk and a platoon was lead into an ambush on the front lines. Was the other commander relieved of duty for failure of proper force protection.

220px-LTG_David_HuntoonLieutenant General David Holmes Huntoon Jr, United States Army-Served as the 58th Superintendent of the United States Military Academy at West Point, NY.   He had graduated from the same academy in 1973 and had served in Senior Planning and Education Services through the majority of his career. He was “censored” for “an investigation” into an “improper relationship” according to The Department of Defense.  Nothing was released to the nature of the improper relationship. Nothing was even mentioned if an actual investigation even took place.

thumb_VADM Tim GiardinaVice Admiral Tim Giardina, United States Navy-Deputy Commander of the United States Strategic Command. Commander of the Submarine Group Trident, Submarine Group 9 and Submarine Group 10, where every single one of the 18 Nuclear Submarines with Nuclear Trident Missiles of those three groups were in his command. This commander earned six Legions of Merit, Two Meritorious Service Medals, two Joint Service Commendation Medals, and several other medals, ribbons and decorations in his illustrious career. He was removed from service and fired from the military for the charge of using counterfeit poker chips (not making that up).

GetFile_xlargeLast on the list, Major General Michael Carry, United States Air Force-Commander 20th Air Force in charge of 9,600 people and 450 Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBM) at three operational wings and served in both Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. He was Fired October 11, 2013, for “Personal Misbehavior” is what was told to ABC News. He and Giardina were both the two top Commanders over the United States Nuclear Arsenal before their dismissal within 48 hours of each other.

As ABC News reports, this is an extremely alarming rate and one of the biggest and fastest purges of military personnel ever recorded.  It apparently is such a shock at the rate even for a long time veteran of reporting the news as Dianne Sawyer, because at one point she gets heated saying two Commanders of the Nuclear Command.

You don’t put people who are not very intelligent and without a squeaky clean record over that area of the Military.  It is enough to make the hardest and staunchest of supporters as the ABC news crew to pause and ask themselves, “what step is he planning?”.

You can watch the ABC interview here:

  • mrswright

    how can he be taken seriously when he still does not know how to return a salute properly?

  • Noneedtoknow

    Seriously… according to this video, he’s preparing for a civil revolution and you’re worried about his salute??

  • cstrasburger

    Little sissy stompyfoot nigger bit is coming…..he’s such a petulant little child.

    We take charge, or its over, folks. The niggers, liberala, the niggers, rhe same shit, have no desire to give up their perception of power….or we die later. Hitler is coming…

  • Tootsie 2

    The real reason for the two firings of military who have control over Nuke was because after moving a number of small nuclear bombs to the east coast, they were ordered to detonate them near Charleston SC…this would’ve been the “RED FLAD EVENT” that would’ve justified OBAMA declaring a national Emergency and given him the authority to declare Martial Law…. BUT it didn’t quite work that way when instead of having them detonated near Charleston, these officers had them detonated at sea. So, hence the immediate firing of these two highly decorated and trustworthy security cleared officers.

  • Marshall Carpenter

    Get ready to bug out. I hope you’re all prepared……

  • ConservativeGirl999

    Good article but the whole point was that this was such an obvious and suspicious abuse of power that even ABC’s Diane Sawyer questioned it. Then I watched the video and it was 2 liberals (Diane Sawyer and Martha Radish, lol) listing all the firings as if it was a behavior problem with our military and the “good news” was that the Pentagon was taking action to make sure everyone else was doing Obama’s goose step in line. Hopefully the Pentagon is doing a more intelligent investigation than what these two air-heads have conceived.

  • Arturo Siemon

    Tryin to reply….I’m interested to know where you found out this information? Is it available for everyone to investigate?

  • real truth

    search for missing nuclear weapons and you can pull up posts of the transfer of nuclear weapons to SC. At this point is where the stories split, some say from SC a truck would be waiting to take them further up the coast (to DC, see other reports of DC false flag), while others say about creating a false nuke flag in SC, and a couple actually saying Sen L Graham stating about terrorists trying to set off nukes in the Charleston SC harbor.
    The DC false flag has conspiracies behind the Naval Yard shooting involving NCIS & the other group that would be able to arrest the president on treason charges. The ranks & departments of the naval yard victims still havent been released last I looked.

  • Dennis Thomas

    sources?

  • Brylaw6

    Well, when the shooting starts…aim for the officers….Generals in particular. I have a feeling though, that you are going to see a mass mutiny. Soldiers wont fire on their own people, no matter who orders it.

  • baddab

    I just hope that should these generals be told to go to open warfare against the population, that the troops understand the orders passed down to them as unconstitutional and refuse to carry them out…

  • Barbi

    I got into an argument recently with a newly enlisted person in the U.S. military, who also professed to be a liberal. I was talking about how military personnel are obligated to disobey any orders that go against the Constitution. The liberal tried to tell me I was wrong. I replied that their oath is to the Constitution, not to the President. He insisted that I was wrong about this, stating that he had just taken that oath, and the oath he took was to the President, not to the Constitution. Alarmed at this revelation, I told him that the oath is supposed to be to the Constitution… this helps to prevent the rise of an absolute, corrupt dictator and ensures the safety of the people against such a dictator. The oath to the Constitution is critical to preserving our freedom as a nation. Even after explaining this to him, he still insisted that I was wrong. His oath had been to the President. Has Obama actually at some point changed the military oath so that military personnel are pledging their allegiance to HIM instead of pledging to obey the Constitution???? I absolutely would not put it past him…. sounds exactly like something he would do.

  • Joe athlete

    I’m sorry Barbs but your lib friend is either a liar or an idiot. Ask him to show you his recruit trainingmanual or even the frame he got upon graduation. inscribed on both he will find the first sentence, ” I solemly. sswear to defend and uphold the constitution of the United States of America” Not to mention that here at Great Lakes Naval Station/RTC We are including talks regarding the Oathkeepers organization. it seems schools are intent on graduating the stupidest kids. Plenty of public funds for heather has 2 mommies but none for acltual education i guess.like math, science or government

  • Susan Donaldson

  • usmcmailman

    Bring it “Boy” !

  • Bill Berger

    He’s already here, reincarnated.

  • Whoare Allof You

    youtube is not a reliable source…. at all…..

  • Rumplestitlskin

    Only an idiot would speak of “My Military”, and only a moron would think he could hoodwink the people into believing he could pull this off.

  • Human

    1968, 4 dead in Ohio. The national guard fired on studen protesters at Ohio State University. They will absolutely fire on citizens, to believe otherwise is folly!

  • Dustin White

    even if generals are ordered to strike against civilians they still have to get past the real Marines and Soldiers ;)

  • Monty

    THIS IS WHAT HITLER DID, AND ITS A PEE-EMINENT TO MARTIAL LAW!! THEN THE VETERANS AND POLICE WILL BE ELIMINATED OR JAILED!! THAT STARTS CIVIL WAR!! AMERICANS KILLING AMERICANS!! BECAUSE ORDINARY SMART PEOPLE, TURN STUPID!! SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON’T VOTE THE RIGHT GUY IN!!

  • Clee White

    …or spelling?

  • Nate

    The oath of enlistment hasn’t changed. I, state your name, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same and that I will obey the orders of the POTUS and the orders of the officers appointed over me according to the regulations and the UCMJ. So help me God. That is what I said for over twenty years anyway.

  • Clee White

    He is doing what Stalin did while behaving like a bad mix of Hitler and Caligula. Everyone should be alarmed.

  • JoanieBaloney

    That is what I have to believe which is that we still have sane people in the police and military that wouldn’t accept Obama’s order in that they love America more than accepting this Commie as their Commander-in-Chief.

  • JoanieBaloney

    I find it suspect that msm ABC is reporting this. Sounds like Obama is getting antsy as to why the American people aren’t hitting the streets and wants his media to start riots and more unrest in order for him to bring out his tanks and ammo. Remember, the Obama government had those government shutdown signs printed ahead of the shutdown, so that was planned by Obama. Steady, cool heads are needed to defeat this Commie-in-Chief.

  • JoanieBaloney

    The tables have completely reversed from those years. Now the patriots are those in the streets and I can’t believe our police and military don’t realize that. They aren’t robots in the military and police and they know better than us what is going on. Keep the faith in America and OUR government, not this government.

  • Timmy Wilburn

    a smart moron knows the president controls, the FBI, the CIA, the DEA, the NSA, the National Guard and most local and state police forces. the only thing that has stood in the way of any man becoming a dictator in America is our military. if the president can replace the ones that back and defend the constitution, then that president could take total control over America. this is why there is such big need for the liberals to disarm americans of our guns. they know gun owners will not stand for a dictator and will fight for this nation.

  • JoanieBaloney

    These days it does pay to watch a video and make your own determination. Thanks for posting as it makes more sense to me as to why ABC would be pushing this news.

  • vicky

    and fight we will.

  • Rex Peterson

    Obama is getting the threat of a military coup out of the way by firing our military leaders. Are we past the point of no return? Obama has to be removed now. Rex Peterson

  • rightcoast

    “I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

    That is the oath now. It was changed in 1962.

  • sharon

    which of these Generals is going to stand up? stand up and fight this openly traitorous president? stand up and tell our patriots and we the people “FOLLOW ME!” with Constitution in hand?? i keep looking for a leader with more than a pen in hand……..where r they?

  • sharon

    they should have shown up and relieved obama of duty for treason.

  • sharon

    really? u think spelling is more important than the subject? ur only comment is about SPELLING?!

  • sharon

    the oath states “to defend and uphold the Constitution” first and foremost. it goes on to say “against foreign and DOMESTIC enemies”. after that it says the president. however if the president does not uphold his oath as president to defend and uphold the Constitution then he has abbrogated his right to be obeyed as the president by any soldier in our military. plain and simple.

  • Xxxxx

    I couldn’t stop laughing after “Your (sic) fired!” If you expect any journalistic credibility, you need to learn the most basic rules of grammar, usage, vocabulary, and spelling. Tell me please, how does one “censor” (sic) a person. If you’ll check, I believe you’ll find that LTG Huntoon was “censured”. You can look up the difference.

  • Clee White

    Really.

  • docdave1

    Did you mean to write “FALSE FLAG EVENT”?

  • Mary Brown

    Obama is setting up military that swears allegiance to him and not the constitution. He is going for a takeover and dictator.

  • Capn

    You’re a moron.

    Did I spell that right?

  • Brian Grierson

    This is exactly right and still what it is .. whoever Barbi’s friend is, he is either mistaken or a liar.

    A soldier is oathbound to defend the constituition first, obey the orders of the president second.

  • HoneyGracious

    This was On The News .

  • Clee White

    Perfectly. Hope you have a terrific evening! ; }

  • joseph

    What sane person would join the military with this idiot in charge? What kind of military is this guy trying to built?

  • Anne Scott Adams
  • Patrick Reynolds

    WOW! all this and all you can come up with is a class in journalism? SERIOUSLY? thats the best you can do scooter. you MUST be a bama boy!the THOUGHT is what matters bama boy … not the grammar … or the punctuation … or the syntax … or the word censor vs censure. THE THOUGHT IS WHAT MATTERS BAMA BOY! why dont you pull your head out of your ass … set it back on your shoulders where it belongs … then try reading the THOUGHTS this article has brought up in these fine people instead of trying so hard to find fault in others to make yourself look better. be better on your OWN merits … not the lack there-of of others. who really gives a rats ass whether it is spelled correctly or the correct word is used in the correct place or the correct punctuation is used in the correct place? who really gives a rats ass whether i have capitalized my sentances here correctly or not? only small minded moronic sheep like yourself! THATS WHO! now then … that being said … go back to your “green” pasture … lie down and chew your cud some more bama boy. your kind if full of nothing but drivel and smarmy catty ass remarks that do NO good other than to make you feel superior to folks who are FAR superior to you in their ethics, morals and values!
    BU BYE TROLL!

  • Stephanie Grigsby

    @cstrasburger Tourette’s Syndrome? Regardless of what u think of him, is that really necessary? Shows ignorance.

  • Jeffrey Tatum

    If the President is a domestic enemy of the constitution, then any orders he gives are unlawful.

  • Little Bright Feather

    Obama has been consistent in his REPLACING all the American people in all govt positions with his own Muslim Brotherhood members. Obama wants only Muslim jihadists (at our expense paying for “his” military mercenaries) in “his” military (hijacked from the US military) and actually he is only keeping the titles/names of the “US Military” in order to SOUND more intimidating around the world and also making any actions he and his killers do to be blamed on America. And it’s working ! Egypt has compeltely turned on America since Obama and his US Military used OUR money (which makes it stolen extorted money) to put his Muslim Brotherhood into power in Eygpt and in every nation he decides to invade and take over !
    Obama sees himself as the RULER of the WORLD ! So does the OWG Elites, as Kissenger stated =
    “Obama is primed to become the New World leader.” ….Henry Kissenger
    Wonder if the OWG counted on “their OWG man” being a radical Muslim jihadist terrorist with an insane mind and a spoiled child’s temper ?
    Lincoln did this exact same thing with his 48er’s (Communists).

  • John Jett

    The USA will be looking like Syria soon enough. I’m looking forward to it; open season on Democrats, no limit and no license required.

  • Chris McKenna

    This might be a better article if it weren’t for all the spelling and grammar errors. It makes the article look like something a seventh-grader wrote.

  • tigersfan61

    Obama stole both elections….

  • Bryan Smith

    The key distinction here is that in the Kent State incident, the National Guard responded to what they thought were gunshots. They didn’t go there to shoot citizens. I don’t think they would shoot veterans and patriots today. Because that’s what they are for serving. The General officers are politicians…..not soldiers IMHO

  • Afi Keita James

    Treason, absolute treason.

  • hihoze

    If half of this was true you’d think that at least half of the nine would hold a press conference or speak out.

  • Hiway

    Sorry your Pres dose nor run NG, that would be the State Gov.

  • hiway

    does not

  • genesis667

    Barry also fired 19 of the staff that actually launches the nukes…

    What I find amazing is that ANYONE is even surprised, you hired a muslim with a fake birth certificate, with a shady and questionable past tied to a terrorist organization, his own brother is on the national terrorist list…

    WHO could be surprised…This has all been out there for years–Now the BO lovers are going to pay for their complete and utter stupidity—AND RIGHTFULLY SO!

  • genesis667

    Yes, CNN the ones who sold you brainless sheep are a good source of news—IDIOT!

  • genesis667

    Let the sheep alone, they believe CNN–Cartoon News Network actually reports the truth…

  • David Christie

    During times of war, the NG can be called to Active Duty under authority of POTUS. Why do you think we have so many NG and Reserve troops in the Middle East?

  • Jerry

    There are Muslim Brotherhood Generals ready to step in at a moments notice. If our own soldiers won’t fire on the citizens of the United States, there are thousands of Russian special forces that will. They have been in our country under the guise of military training. Yeah right!!! Also, DHS has many thoousands of agents that have already shown they are ready to kill innocent people. They are very well armed and supplied. There will be a major attack on America some day soon and it won’t be from foreign forces. It will be from Obama’s Army.

  • David Christie

    Patrick, while the meat of your post is true, I disagree with it. Mainly because intelligent people generally don’t take analysis from people who can’t properly use the language correctly. Also, when people respond to those of poor grammar as you have, it makes you on the same level as the first person. People should have enough self-respect to write correctly so that people can easily understand them. You should have the self respect to not be a jerk, Your response to XXXXXX is about as mature as Obama’s two year old fit about the defunding of Obamacare.

  • [email protected]

    Do you mean Kent State University on May 4, 1970? Four dead and nine wounded for protesting the Vietnam War. Ohio National Guard fired into the crowd.

  • Jeffery

    All of this is in preparation for an ALIEN invasion! Obama wants total control of the military because the aliens have total control over him and the UN. The reason the military wasn’t allowed to intervene in Benghazi is because it was really an alien attack aimed at doing just what it did- killing Ambassador Stevens…because he had found out about the Obama/Alien conspiracy and was threatening to go public. Get ready…they’re coming soon.

  • usmcmailman

    A “Mad man” is in charge of our nukes !

  • apen

    Who replaced these men ? The military is no cleaner than DC, it’s a pig sty of back stabbing for promotion and longevity in service (pay). Investigate fully. There are two powers here and how they interact is of great importance to us all.

  • Brock Powers

    Obama is an illegal alien Muslim. Says so on his Occidental College information. anyone miss that? America???

  • Bocephus

    He’s an idiot. His oath was to the constitution not the pres, it has not changed. If he is paying that little attention to an oath that he is pledging then he has no buisness in the Military

  • Alan L Hefley

    These nine men of honor should get together and tell their story to FOX. My astonishment is they have not already done this. FOX would report if he missed the toilet taking a leak.And the theory of the nuke strike at Charleston, SC?Why is FOX not all over this. With their resources it should be easy. Yall could get that impeachment you want. Then Biden would be president. A much brighter lighter face for yall to get behind.If a shred of this is true the country would be behind impeaching President Obama. But you need real evidence.Not batturd nitwit conspiricy theories with no proof.These generals got fired for no reason should have a axe to grind. And men of Honor a country to protect from a tyrant, Why have they not come forward??In jail? Gag order? Paid off?Tell FOX ,they would no if this is smoke or a real story.

  • Imam Khalid of Basra

    Brother Obama is almost ready to declare the US of A the United States of New Arabia and establish to North American Caliphate!

    When he does, we will ban Christianity, take your guns and send all of you baggers to the nearest Islamic Community Center to rid you of your sinful desires for the gloryhole.

    ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!

  • felicityva

    Keep looking up.

  • felicityva

    Depends on what they’ve been threatened with.

  • Human

    Yes, my bad, forgot the date, but I was close and you have made the correction. Thank you!

  • Fuck Muslims

    Allah is a false god. All muslims are homosexual pedophiles.

  • Sheila Stagner-Mace

    Sinful desires?? Is your wife (or wives) all of about 10 years old?? You disgust me….I’m surrounding myself with pork, you nasty, stinking @ss pedophile! F*ck your pedophile of a “god” alla.

  • a marine .

    islam was started by a child molesting thief, the SPAWN OF HIS MOTHER HAVING SEX WITH A PIG AND THEN HE WAS BORN, WHY ELSE WOULD MUSLIMES NOT EAT PORK? THEY ARE AFRAID THEY WILL EAT ONE OF HIS ANCESTERS. OH AND islam is a devil blood cult that is pure evil and must be wiped from the face of this earth and every muslime mosque destroyed and the ground covered in pig blood

  • a marine .

    Hitler purged the German military of its senior officers so all he had in his general staff where those that swore their allegance to Hitler, Stalin did the same thing in Russia he purged the Russian military of all his Generals that were not communist, Now obam-hitler-stalin is doing the very same here. Now all we need to do is wake up the sheeple so that they can see what the truth is and what is happing in this country. All that SCUM SUCKING LOW LIFE LIAR THIEF MURDERING BUTCHER OF BENGHAZI muslime POS obamaass needs is a crisis so he can declare MARTIAL LAW,

  • Patricia Phillips

    Going to be really hard to remove the “ANTICHRIST” !!!!!! Now that he has set up in the white house and has his “MY ARMY” BEHIND HIM LOOK FORWAED TO BEING HEARDED LIKE SHEEP TO THE BUTCHER!!!

  • Patricia Phillips

    HITLER my ass TRY “ANTICHRIST IS HERE” GOD HELP US ALL!!!!

  • terpsez108

    plenty of Gays from Chicago Bath Houses to take their place except the ones who were whacked before his first election

  • Edel

    Bambi, Tell that newbie to go back and read his enlistment form signed by him and ithere he will see: “To defend and uphold the Constitution of the of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic and also the Pesident if by doing so he is not violating the constitution himself. Now since we have not had a president going on almost five years, and instead have a Dictator, no member of the Armed Force is bound to follow a direct order given by that Dictator. I have faith that the great majority of the higher echelon of the Armed Service are still in belief of that Sacred Oath, which is “Duty, Honor, Country” Any Dictator can be Overthrown as a President (which by the way we no longer have}, can also be Impeach. The longer we stay complacent of this fact harder it will be for all of us “We The People”. Time to take our government and country back and no ifs and buts. Like if you agree

  • Edel

    therein he

  • Barbi Jayne

    1970..Kent State…..

  • Edel

    Right you are Brian. If I remember correctly isnt there a stipulation in the UCMJ, that is must be a Lawful Order. So since his has given up his right to Presidency by having violated all articles in the Constitution and the Oath he has taken to Uphold, it can then only be construed that his is a Dictator and as such does not have that right to Govern this Country but rather an enemy of the United States and can be rightfully be “Overthrown by Revolution” as has been the case for Dictator in the likes Of Hitler. Hopefully by doing so he could be gone with his puppett Heinrich Himler (Reid).

  • Edel

    Human, to believe that will happen in an all out rebellion against the Tyranny of a nine headed monster is far fetch. I still believe in the great majority of the character of the American People. So help us God. My apologies if you are one who doesn’t believed in the Almighty, after all we are still all Americans “Duty, Honor, Country”.

  • Jan Neely

    I had the same issue in the summer of this year. Two Navy guys and they both told me their oath was to their commander, the president and I told them their oath was to uphold the constitution and again they said no it was to the president. I told them were completely wrong and needed to go back and read the oath they took. One of them got angry with me and told me to butt off that I didn’t know what I was talking about. They were young so young to me means impressionable.

  • Dave Bellewood

    Enlisted Oath (POTUS & Constitution)

    “I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and
    the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations
    and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

    Officer Oath (Constitution only)

    “I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the
    Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do
    solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic,
    that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take
    this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of
    evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the
    office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.”

  • Haniel Perigueux

    I didn’t know Obama played the violin.

  • Rocky

    “I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962). the actual Oath of Enlistment.

  • James Cupp

    My God is great. Yours is a piss ant

  • hoser from Kent Ohio

    1970

  • Stephanie

    A guy who was in the Military, A high ranking individual on top of it, who can prove he was in the Military, prove he was stationed there, told you what happened, who was there that did it, who received the orders to do it, that’s credible news enough for me. I’m just GRATEFUL that our Military is coming forward with all this information. And not attacking us yet…

  • Gene Roberts

    You are not borderline stupid … you’ve gone “full retard”.

  • Gene Roberts

    “They” who? He is the Commander in Chief and the Pentagon has been holding the military’s feet to the fire for all of the misconduct that has historically stayed in the shadows.

  • Gene Roberts

    You are a rock with ears. This is the biggest load of horse crap to come down the pike since the fake Columbia student ID card.

  • Gene Roberts

    Yes … the firings were on the news. The horse manure-filled conspiracy theory was dreamed-up by some nut.

  • Gene Roberts

    LOL

  • Gene Roberts

    All gods are false gods. Only the weakest of minds need the fairy tales to get them through this life and out the door without screaming like little girls.

  • Gene Roberts

    Good job. You’ve stirred the “stupid” soup and the nuts are rising to the top.

  • Gene Roberts

    Barbi, try and follow? The President was constitutionally elected. The oath of enlistment clearly states, ” I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.” I am going to ask you how many times you have taken the oath? I myself have taken it five times between 1978 and 1995 and it has always been the same oath. The people that post this garbage are attempting to scare you. They are planting seeds of sedition and trying too undermine the authority of the democratically elected President.

  • Gene Roberts

    And who are you to decide whether or not the President has violated his oath? Don’t you think if the jackasses in Congress, as much as they hate Obama, had any evidence of such chicanery that they would have started impeachment proceedings by now?

  • Gene Roberts

    People like you are domestic enemies. You want it all your way and you could care less about your fellow Americans. You wrap yourselves in the flag and beat your chest and put on tri-cornered hats and strut around like a friggin’ bunch of jack-booted thugs.

  • Diane Shultz

    THE NAVY YARD MASSACRE WAS ORCHESTRATED BY THE OBAMA ADMIN AS THE PROVOST MARSHALL AND THE NCIS WERE ON THEIR WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE TO ARREST OBAMA FOR TREASON ….SENDING ARMS TO SYRIAN REBELS WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL….THE MAJORITY LOST THEIR LIVES THAT DAY AND THE REPORTS WERE NOT MADE PUBLIC AS TO THE TRUE NUMBER OF DEATHS IN THE YARD….SOME SCUTTLEBUTT FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT

  • Gene Roberts

    You are half correct. Except that the oath is a complete document. YOU don’t get to break it down and follow the parts you like and dismiss those parts that you don’t agree with. Until the Congress and the Supreme Court decide that a President must be removed from office … his orders are constitutional … and lawful. And you (assuming that you are serving) do not get to decide whether or not you are going to follow it.

  • Gene Roberts

    The point is that you don’t get to arbitrarily decide what part of the oath you are going to keep.

  • Gene Roberts

    Wrong.

  • Diane Shultz

    OH FYI THE NUKE FALSE FLAG IS TRUE…THAT WAS THE OTHER REASON FOR THE NCIS/PROVOST MARSHALL ARREST ATTEMPT…THE NAVY YARD EMPLOYS THAT IN THE MILITARY FORCE THAT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ARREST A SITTING PRESIDENT…..WE ARE UNDER A MILITARY COUP DE’ ETAT….GOD HELP US AS AMERICA IS UNDER ATTACK..THE FOOD STAMP INCIDENT SET FOR NOV.1 WILL TRIGGER RIOTS THROUGHOUT THE USA….WAIT AND AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE 47% DON’T GET THEIR SNAP……..

  • Gene Roberts

    You are also only partly correct.

  • Gene Roberts

    You are as wrong as two boys holding hands in a field of clover on a warm summer’s evening. The oath of enlistment is not broken up so that you get to choose what parts you like and don’t like. You keep it all or you have kept none of it.

  • Gene Roberts

    Bocephus…wrong.

  • Gene Roberts

    Another tin-hat wearing nutcase.

  • Gene Roberts

    Boogity Booogity!!! Ooooh.

  • Gene Roberts

    Do some homework. Remember some of the sexual harassment stuff that came to light earlier in the year. The Pentagon is coming down on such thing. There is no Boogey man in the closet and Obama will go away at the end of this term in office.

  • Gene Roberts

    Yeah…tell their story on FOX or FOX will make up one for them.

  • Gene Roberts

    “The sky is falling! The sky is falling!”

  • Brian Grierson

    Actually I’m not. The oath is word for word. It is constituition first, president second.

    If it was meant that we the soldiers obey the President first and foremost it would be worded that way.

    There is a specific order of things for a reason Gene. Otherwise the oath would read where it states the President first and the Constituition second.

  • Brian Grierson

    Yes, the oath is a complete document. And it’s not breaking it down. Actually it is following it’s letter and intent. We as soldiers follow the presidents orders until they conflict with the Constituition. Then we are bound by oath to set aside those orders and follow the constituition.

    For example, if a president orders me to open fire on child that presents no clear and present danger. I am oath bound to disobey that unlawful order.

    If a president orders me to stand down and not act, as it would put in danger an operation. Then I am oath bound to comply, even thou it may cost lives.

    Our military is not and was never meant to be as the SS of Hitler, blindly following every order without thought or reason.

  • hihoze

    That’s not what a military leader fears. Honor Fidelity Loyalty mean far more. You sir have identified yourself as a sheeple and I’m being courteous.

  • Debbie Scott

    Our troops didn’t take the oath they took to spill the blood of Americans which would include the blood of their own flesh…their families….their loved ones. Although I do believe there is some type of brain washing happening within our military, I have to believe the majority of our troops are now & will forever be loyal to their heritage, their honor, integrity, courage, heart, & love of country…..THIS COUNTRY!!!! THEIR COUNTRY!!!!

  • Debbie Scott

    “Brother Obama” is probably also your own son….your wife’s uncle….your sister’s lover…. your other sister’s cousin….your daughter’s granddaddy….your daddy’s ‘special friend’….your mama’s dirty little secret “&” your body guards bitch & wouldn’t doubt he has a “sinful desire” to own & possess your “glory hole” you sick fuck!!!

  • economichostage

    All this noise on here about some conspiracy to take over the United States by military force yet all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are still in place. The military has had a string of sexual assault allegations at the top and it seems that the majority of the fired personnel were accused of sexual indiscretions. Not only have they not jumped up and down about being fired or forced to resign. The have not run to the press and voiced any concerns about some non existent coup. The only coup taking place is the one being conducted by that Right Wing Nutjob TEA Party that is about to drive America over an economic cliff. We got a black president. Get over it.

  • Apollo

    Are you really this dumb in real life? If you think that is true, go read about those German soldiers who were just “following orders.” A soldier is expected to follow orders only until they become unconstitutional. Then it is his DUTY go disobey. you’re in the military, you are a sad excuse for a man. A coward and a fool.

  • Apollo

    It’s a nice dream. Just like the police, and as the resident fool here – Gene Roberts, he miitary is overflowing with idiots. Very lacing in the abilities of critical thought and common sense.. hence the belief ito follow the preident before fighting to protext the constitution. They will kill soldiers and blame it on lone wolf” terrorists.” Then these idots will be chomping at the bit to spill their neighbors blood. Those who sk to defend our Constitution will be called the enemy. We are watching the death of a once great empire.

  • Clee White

    You should do your homework. Based on your comments in this thread you are either completely closed minded or you are in need of a mental health evaluation. Get some help, dude.

  • felicityva

    Apparently you cannot read, and I am being courteous. You may call me Ma’am, not Sir. And flattery will get you nowhere with me because I am no sheeple. You obviously do not know about the strong arm tactics this administration uses to get people to just go away. Honor, Fidelity and Loyalty do mean far more, but when you or your family are being threatened, guess what? All bets are off. Good day to you, SIR.

  • Byrum Blobshittle

    Go suck your Kool-Aid tit, shit-for-brains! Oblahblah the Blamer is a Muslim terrorist POS and YOU are just another shining example of just how gullible & stupid Libtards can be!

  • Byrum Blobshittle

    Gene… maybe you need to ease off on the Kool-Aid there, Comrade! The Dumbocrat Oblahblah supporters control the Senate so it won’t do any good to Impeach that squatter in the Crackah House. (Crackah isn’t a racist term so shut your fucking cumhole—that retarded black skank ho told us that Crackah isn’t racist when she testified at Patriot Zimmerman’s trial you fucktardian douchebag!) because Impeachment is done by the House of (mis)Representatives and is only the ACCUSATION of wrongdoing. Once a president (or, in this case, a pResident) is impeached, THEN the Senate votes to find him guilty or innocent. With your Libtard baby-killing, baby-raper-loving douchebags in control of the Senate, the possibility of Barry the Blamer being found guilty are virtually nonexistent. THAT is why they haven’t Impeached the lying, cheating, faggo,t muslim, POS, illegal alien now squatting in OUR WHITE HOUSE! Stupid, Kool-Aid sucking moron!

  • Dave

    I’m wondering how accurate this is, considering a Marine MGEN is referred to as a “Highly decorated soldier with two Naval and Marine Commendations and two Naval and Marine Good Conduct medals.” First of all, he’s a Marine, not a soldier. Additionally, the awards listed would not fall into the “Highly Decorated” category. The Air Medal, mention as an “oh, by the way” in the next sentence is fairly high, and higher that a Navy (not Naval) and Marine Corps Commendation Medal (of which, I also have two, and do not consider myself highly decorated by any stretch).
    Looks like something that someone with a tin foil hat on too tight, sitting in their mother’s basement concocted after reading a bunch of internet chatter. If they can’t get the simple things right, how can I believe that any of their story is right?

  • Carl Gottstein

    The officers are real American Heroes.

    Obama is not.

    I stand with the officers Obama has relieved.

    2014 TEA will elect a US senate that will impeach this SOB!

    SMIB!

  • hihoze

    I stand by my comments. I expect generals and admirals and our military officers, in fact our entire military to defend the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic. When they stand up, people will stand with them.

  • mfernandez57MN

    “Aliens”?? If you mean “illegal” aliens, ok that’s plausible. If you’re taling “ET” aliens, son you better get back on your meds.

  • LocalYokel35

    There are many more than the president accountable to Article 2, Sections 2 and 4 of the constitution. Therein lies the justified fear of beginning the process of impeachment. Never the less, every negative vote in both the house and senate serves as individual self condemnation . What better way to compose the list necessary for an inevitable mass public hanging to restore honor? Has a better informed public opinion not called for replacement of all responsible for their present predicament?

  • Gary Chaney

    Show up here and I will send you to see allah personally! Just try to take my guns…just try…

  • dan

    you are a racist idiot who should be shot and pissed on

  • dan

    Wtf is wrong with you people. You refer to him and others as “the Liberal” like he or they are evil or something. Do you even realize that your country was founded, and still operates this day on Liberal values? Maybe all you genius’s should look up the definition of Liberal. Conservatism actually leads to fascism, like the Nazi’s for example. Which is exactly what will happen when you strip down gov, and make it easier for corporations to run heedlessly through the streets with no regulation. If Obama attacks his own people I will post a video of me eating my shoe. All of this shit is no different than all the crap and lies over the past 20 or so years that the far right have been spreading, and you ignoramus’s and paranoid fools eat it up all the time. Good luck with the Mental problems, I hope they work out for you all.

  • dan

    Your are such a fucking idiot douche bag, you should be shot and pissed on. Fascist. Racist. Asshole.

  • dan

    You are a fascist fuck with no brain

  • Thomas

    Obama does not meet with his Joint Chiefs…they are kept in the closet.

  • Thomas

    “I would like to have a citizens army; just as well-trained and just as well-funded as our own military” -B. Hussein Obama, 2008.

  • matt miller

    Every nation, tribe and tongue will bow down and confess that JESUS IS LORD when he returns.

  • Matthew

    I have his Kenya Birth Certificate with his little baby foot print on it. I suppose ALL of the evidence is fake, even the Adobe created layered ‘long form’ birth certificate they ‘released’ on whitehouse.gov? Oops or a whistle blower? Hmm What’s it going to take before you see it for yourself? You’ve already heard about the 1.5BILLION bullets, seen pics of the armored battle wagons. Will it take something horrific to ACTUALLY happen, or will you simply dismiss the shrugs from your lame leader when he pretends to be just as clueless and innocent as you? This is text book 3rd Reich and either you are with us fighting it or you’re just a commie yourself and guilty of every crime and sin right along with them.

  • Matthew

    So the weak are the ones that DO NOT scream like little girls while dying? You haven’t given reality much objective thought, have you Gene Roberts?

  • a marine .

    Well lets see , just when did telling the truth make someone a racist. I do want every muslime removed from the USA AND islam is evil pure and simple, you have to be an obamanite worshiper SO GFY YOUR A FOOL AND A TRAITOR YOUR DAY WILL COME

  • Rogue7

    Gene, try and follow, OK. You signed an oath to the constitution first and foremost and against all enemies foreign and domestic. You also swore an oath to obey the orders of the President and officers… Here’s where it gets tricky, so pay attention, you swore to obey those lawful orders of those above you. And yes, there is a difference and you as a Soldier are obligated to disobey an unlawful order. “I was only following orders”, will still end in a prison sentence if those orders are criminal in nature. Let me give you some examples of an unlawful order; “Take my bags to my room”, as compared to “Get the bags off the truck and put them in the CP”, “It’s election time and this whole unit WILL vote Republican or else” as compared to “Go vote”. Get the point. I’ve signed my name on those same papers a time or two over the last 29 years and still obey those lawful orders of those appointed over me. A real Soldier knows when an order is unlawful and I’ve told a few Field Grades ( and a certain 1lt as a SGT) in a respectable manner where they could put that order (Kinda nice when you’re a 1SG or SGM) as I am not their slave. I’ve also had to enforce ridiculous yet lawful orders after private conversations with them saying this will end badly (which it usually does). I joined to serve my country, not the bidding of any President (5 of them, 3 of which I’ve served in combat for- DS, OIF, and Afghanistan twice). So stop pretending to be the SME (Subject Matter Expert) on our Oath of Enlistment.

  • real truth

    the people that could have arrested him for treason all died in the naval yard shooting…

  • Imam Khalid of Basra

    Christians (and Jews) could not be freed from their ignorance until Muhammad came bringing the Qur’an as clear evidence (Al-Bayyinah 98:1). Muhammad was Allah’s gift to Christians to correct misunderstandings. They should accept Muhammad as Allah’s Messenger, and the Qur’an as his final revelation. (Al-Ma’idah 5:15; Al-Hadid 57:28; An-Nisa’ 4:47)

    Some Christians and Jews are faithful and believe truly. (Âl ‘Imran 3:113,114) Any such true believers will submit to Allah by accepting Muhammad as the prophet of Islam, i.e. they will become Muslims. (Âl ‘Imran 3:198)

    Although Jews and pagans will have the greatest enmity against Muslims, it is the Christians who will be ‘nearest in love to the believers’, i.e. to Muslims. (Al-Ma’idah 5:82) True Christians will not love Muhammad’s enemies. (Al-Mujadilah 58:22) In other words, anyone who opposes Muhammad is not a true Christian.

  • Frdmftr

    Oh, he was born in Kenya, all right, but that Birth Certificate with the footprint on it was photoshopped just like the two Obama posted on his website. On the other hand, I have a copy of an Associated Press article from the East Standard newspaper of Nairobi, Kenya with a headline (and article) which crows about “Kenyan-Born Obama All Set for U.S. Senate.” See http://www.frdmftr.net/kenyan-born.html if you want to see it.

  • Frdmftr

    Then you haven’t looked much. They were listed, with photographs, on the NBC Nightly News the very next evening, and they were all ten or twenty years out of the military, and their families were described, and their duties at the navy yard. I’m as paranoid a conspiracy theorist as anyone, and that was one of most obvious hoaxes I’ve encountered in a long time. (Paranoid is good; it reveals the worst case scenario so you can prepare for it, but OCCAM’s RAZOR is a better tool for judging the reality of a conspiracy.)

  • Frdmftr

    And how long did it take your ancestors to replace that chunk of space rock at Mecca with a piece of painted lava when it was stolen lo, these many years ago? The way I figure it, Islam and the other followers of that rapist pedophiliac desert pirate will cease to exist when Mecca is turned into a smoking radioactive crater.

  • matt miller

    John 14:6 – Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

    Acts 4:12- Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

    Matthew 24:4-14- Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

    Matthew 7:21-23- Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Romans 10:9- Say with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord.” Believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. Then you will be saved.

  • LtColO

    Besides which, if they are being purged, not a ONE of them has had the cajones to come out and say so? Seems odd.

  • LtColO

    Strangely, I find myself in agreement with you over the idea that if there was a coup, we surely would have heard something from the fired generals/flag officers. But that’s where the agreement ends, as a black person myself, I’m SICK AND TIRED of people like you constantly trying to play the race card. It’s stupid, it’s immature AND it’s wrong.
    So Dr. Thomas Sowell, Condoleeza Rice, Clarence Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson, Dr. Walter Williams, Rep Allen West, Denzel Washington and on and on and on of those who disagree with Obama and all of whom are black do so because they have a problem with a “black president”? He’s a socialist and an imposter and THAT’S why we disagree with him. Get over it.

  • economichostage

    Wow, people like me. Thats a good one. But since you running with the TEA PARTY and see absolutely nothing wrong with it or them. I wish you nothing but the best and you and they deserve exactly what you will get from them if they ever manage to take over the United States Government, Have a very nice day,

  • LtColO

    Hey, a first! No racial slurs! And yeah, “people like YOU.” In the same way you broad brush anyone with the Tea Party, so I broad brush anti-American, race-baiting Leftists like you. And I’m proud to be a part of the Tea Party despite how had your media has tried to make them look like “terrorists” and other despicable crap like that. How about you take a look at YOUR side, e.g., the Occupy Wall Street street punks and freaks?
    I love how folks like you will probably protest how you support the military never considering that over SEVENTY PERCENT of the military officers support the principles of the Tea Party. Why are you so scared of folks who want limited government in accordance with the Constitution? What’s wrong with saying we don’t want government to take over 1/6th of our economy and bungle it as poorly as they did a damn WEBSITE? No, but WE’RE the terrorists. Nevermind the jackals in the Middle East flying planes into buildings and yelling Allahu Akbar! It’s retired military, old folks who remember an accountable government, and folks from ALL cross-sections of the US who are “terrorists” and who want to “destroy our civilization” (but I’m guessing you wouldn’t know what a Tea Party person stands for because you probably don’t know anybody in the “Tea Party”; you’ve just regurgitated with the mainstream media has fed you).
    It’s honestly people like you that have finally pushed me to give up even trying to reasonably dialogue. I used to. I used to try and rationally and civilly discuss with colleagues and associates. But after being called race-traitor, terrorist, anarchist, and hate-filled ALL because I said, “Hmm. Seems like the government is getting out of control and needs to be reined in back to its constitutional limits” I finally decided, YOU WIN.
    In my mind, you are the enemy now. No, not physically, but I realize it’s pointless trying to reason with people like you because all you seem to know how to do is call everyone that disagrees with you a racist. You whine about ONE clown who shows up to a protest with a Confederate flag, but turn a blind eye to the dozens that show up the Left-leaning protests flying the Communist flag, or the Mexican flag.
    So thanks to people like you, I’m through. I’m done trying to reason with you. I’m waiting, not for the Tea Party to do something, but for YOUR party and your president to start persecute their political enemies (as in the IRS scandal???) in earnest and when it starts, I’m ready to go.
    Thanks and HAVE A NICE DAY.

  • LtColO

    And as far as about to “drive America over an economic cliff” talk about PROJECTION!! It’s YOUR PARTY that won’t stop spending and enacting “freebies” that take an EVER-EXPANDING government to implement!! Where in the world do you think the money comes from?? But it’s “Right Wing” people who are asking for CUTS in spending and and end to unsustainable entitlement programs who are the fiscally irresponsible?? YOUR president has racked up more debt than all his predecessors in only 4 years! YOUR party refuses to pass a budget going on almost FIVE years now, which is why we’re stuck using “continuing resolutions” in the first place!! Have you ever even THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? Or are you so blinded by a partisanship that holds party over all else that you can’t see? Search the Internet if you don’t believe me and see how much debt THIS PRESIDENT has encouraged through “stimulus” (a huge chunk of which went to now bankrupt companies that donated to him). Read about how we’ve had no budget–in direct violation of law, by the way–because Harry Reid won’t pass one.
    You think Obamacare is going to GROW the economy? Are you serious?? And if it’s so great, why did EVERY SINGLE ONE of the 54 Dem senators vote to EXEMPT themselves from it? Does that sound like the actions of honorable people? It’s the most contemptible, in-your-face, elitist action they could possibly take and you’re angry at the “Tea Party”?? You are a good foot soldier for the cause.
    I mean this sincerely: it’s that kind of nearly INSANE perspective (given that the facts are readily available to you and you still, in zombie-like fashion oppose the very people trying to wake you up) that will end this country in civil war. There’s no dialoguing with hostile ignorance like that but I sure as heck am not going meekly down when your party starts trying to persecute people like me because we have the temerity to say we ought to follow the Constitution.

  • LtColO

    Let’s take this apart one by one shall we?
    1. Thanks for your service. I will never take away the service anyone has done for this country, especially at time of war. It doesn’t take away my VEHEMENT opposition to your ideas, but I will always offer my thanks for your service.
    2. Republican dominated Supreme Court? What’s that? I thought they were just Judges? So the next time Obama presents a candidate, will your side sit down and shut up when Republicans blue slip them? After all, if we’re putting people on the court by party, then it’s all fair game. On the SCOTUS we have: Roberts (Center Right), Scalia (Right), Thomas (Right), Kennedy (Center Left), Ginsburg (Left) Breyer (Left), Alito (Right), Sotomayor (Left), Kagan (Left). Lets review history a bit: which of those received BRUTAL nomination fights despite their impeccable credentials? Yeah, the ones on the right.
    3. The ACA was not passed by a “majority” in the sense that you describe it. It was passed strictly on party lines with not ONE Republican vote. You bring up SCOTUS as a supporting witness. Well then, what about DOMA, which was also duly enacted law and yet your president LAWLESSLY (it’s a demonstrable fact–he broke the law) just up and said, “I won’t enforce that law because I don’t agree with it. Did you have a problem with that? How about the border laws which were also duly enacted and which his Justice Dept also said, “We not only won’t enforce them, will sue AZ for trying to enforce their borders.” Where were all you reasonable Democrats then, decrying that lawless behavior and saying, “No, you may disagree with those laws as they stand, but they are the law of the land, passed by majorities and so must be respected until they’re repealed”? (insert sound of crickets here). The House, being another Constitutionally created body has every right in the world to withhold funding for things. Currently, the MAJORITY of the House is held by the GOP. So exercising the same “power of the purse” they’ve had since the founding of our government, the House did the same thing the Senate did when they passed ACA on party lines: they BLOCKED it using the tools THEY have available to them; namely, the power to withhold funding. There’s absolutely NOTHING unconstitutional or wrong about that. And that’s a fact.
    4. During the shutdown, can you deny that:
    a. The House sent numerous bills to the Senate, ALL of them to fund OTHER parts of the government so as not to shutdown the government but Harry Reid shot them down, saying that they were “dead on arrival” with the President chiming in that he “would not negotiate”?
    b. The President, as the Chief Executive has it ENTIRELY within his discretion to choose what to “shut down” and what not to. he chose to shut down National Parks?!?! But funded Public Broadcasting. You’re a vet, how about this one: He shut down sports broadcasts overseas for deployed servicemen. And on that theme, he shut down National Memorials against old veterans, many of them on their last trip to DC but OPENED THE MALL to a protest by Illegal Immigrants!! If you doubt me, Look it up! Nancy Pelosi THANKED him for it!
    What the GOP is not a “backdoor”. With all due respect, it’s spoken as if you don’t know how the Constitution works. The power to withhold funding for a law is entirely and utterly Constitutional. It’s not “backdoor”. Oh, and the Democrats have done it, too.
    5. Conspicuously absent in your defense of the Dems is the President’s part. So when two folks negotiate, you kind of expect (silly me!) that both sides will give a little. Your president is on record beyond disputation as refusing to give ANYTHING in this recent dispute, willing rather to veto bills that fund Cancer Research for children rather than lose his big political victory but it’s the GOP that shut things down?
    Again, I’m not saying it happily, God knows, but this is exactly why we’re headed for civil strife. You simply can’t accept your side has any culpability.

  • dra1929

    Glad someone posted this. The oath for officers – the one I took – is different.

  • Mary Crosby

    …but not in the order stated…

  • 2197_uxo_1

    You only call it a fairy tail because you believe in fairys!

  • 2197_uxo_1

    You will go with rest, DOA!

  • Kumbayah

    The smell of tyranny and oppression is in the air.

  • Kumbayah

    I concur it could be tin foil-itis. Still, insuring their silence wouldn’t be difficult. Just threaten their families if anything is leaked. Most men would remain silent in that situation.

  • JCH

    Let’s go have a HAM sandwhich and discuss this, shall we?

  • JCH

    Islam is a ‘peaceful’ religion and if you don’t believe it, they will stab you, rape your children, kill your parents, set houses on fire, scream and throw rocks in the street 24 hours a day, beat women and ETC. On the contrary to Islam’s evil hatred and barbarian behavior, Jesus offers mercy, kindness, forgiveness and eternal life to those who would believe. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.” Islam is cruel judgment, Jesus is Life.

  • Edward Teach

    And traitors like you will be the first ones we come for when The Revolution starts.

  • Imam Khalid of Basra

    You just hate Brother Obama because he is black and Muslim.

  • Marlys

    Well your Brother Obama is a homosexual drug addict. Don’t you have to kill him too?

  • Marlys

    We hate Obama because he is a liar….he called himself Christian; that should be a sin for you. But you teach people to lie, lie, lie…tell them whatever they want to hear; get close and then if they don’t convert to your madness you kill them. Your whole religions reeks of Satanism……that is your practice.

  • Marlys

    Yes he has. He also gets rid of military personal who say they cannot fire on the American people.

  • Marlys

    You need to go learn U.S. history. Your education is very lacking in what the American spirit is.

  • Joey Layman

    I think Obama is a turd and need’s to impeached ASAP before he ruin’s this state even more. I think he’s firing high ranked military officials so that he can order lower ranked officer’s that will listen to the order’s.

  • eissaCassandra

    true Christians believe that Y’shua is the son of the true God, the Great I Am, Yahweh. The word Christian was originally used as a derogatory name for the followers of Y’shua and it means “little Christ”. I have never been more free than the day I gave my life to Him. “for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him will not perish but have everlasting life”… He so loved the world… that means Christ loves YOU and shed His blood for you so that if you choose to find the truth- than you can truly know what it means to be free.

  • eissaCassandra

    don’t get your panties in a twist. the truth always reveals itself sooner or later. if your right than most of your fellow posters will realize that they have been a fool. If your wrong…. well you will have bigger problems than looking foolish.

  • eissaCassandra

    and I think that the ppl your arguing with have made it pretty clear that they want it the constitutions way…. NOT their own way :]

  • Imam Khalid of Basra

    Get ready, you dumb racist baggers. The Caliphate is coming and Christianity will be banned by Brother Obama.

  • monokrati

    America the Shit and Ugly.

  • Deborah

    how convenient.

  • Jason MournsAlways

    Let me torture you for a couple of hours, and we’ll see if you can keep living in the moment, or if you revert to GOD for help… I KNOW the answer, but lets find out, shall we?

  • Jason MournsAlways

    So if he felt that way about Muslims of his own race… Would he still be a racist?

  • Jason MournsAlways

    you stole your religion from Zoroaster… go fuck yourself. In the end, we will gut you, stuff your carcass with pork and send you home :)

  • Jason MournsAlways

    I hate him because he’s a black muslim, socialist usurper.

  • Jason MournsAlways

    40% will refuse…

  • LibertyDwells

    Actually, you’re trying to discredit an idea based on semantics and phrasing that no non-military person would recognize as errors. Including, likely, the person writing it, or the person proof-reading. The inclusion of such data isn’t even really necessary to the story, other than to emphasize these were quality officers. A point already in evidence by the nature of their positions in the first place. And that accepts the use of “soldier” and “highly decorated” are errors at all vs mere preferred use.

    Long and short of it, worry about the fact officers in critical roles are being purged during the regime of an incompetent bureaucrat with delusions of grandeur, not whether some writer got his terminology the way you like to see it.

  • LibertyDwells

    The problem here is, what are they supposed to come out with? That they were improperly terminated for some political agenda? Just disgruntled employees. That Obama is planning a coup(we’re actually already in the middle of it but that’s beside the point)? Clearly they’d just be conspiracy nuts.

    Without proof there is nothing for them to say or do, frankly, but stew over it and wait to, someday, say “SEE!!!! See!!!!! He’s EVUL!”

  • Tonya Botsford

    God is God is God call him by any name you may choose as long as you live his word daily and hurt no other living beings{ or the gifts he has given i.e innocence, animals environment ect.}.- who are all designed in his image no matter what name they choose to call him by.
    My personal beliefs are my own between me and my self and I. not on display for others to judge. And I do believe their is good in all religions if anything it is a history book and a moral guide line Only problem with humanity is the extreme in which they take their religion’s to. like I stated my beliefs are just that my own I do not go around forcing them on any one nor should anyone else force their belief’s on me and especially through violence that is truly against all morality or any true religion of the true God of enter ur name or deity ect ect ect..

  • Tonya Botsford

    Obama will be banned before he bans a whole country based on the ability to choose religion freely just in case you didn’t know. We Americans will fight to the death and have the power to do so for our Freedom. always have always will No one man person group or entity has power over us all You have obviously never been schooled in the American Spirit it trumps all and now you know.

  • Tonya Botsford

    I don’t care what he believes I care about my Country and my Freedoms

  • KECMN

    On a cold day in hell…which is where you and your murdering counterparts will spend eternity!

  • Humanity4Humans

    What are we taught if we become POW’s? Don’t tell them shit until you can’t take it any more.
    So… ?

  • General Chan

    Its long live JINXISM! The Jinxists will bring bad fortune and luck to your doorsteps. Allahu Akbar my ass.

  • [email protected]

    Idiot!

  • James Thompson

    IT’S ALL BECAUSE OBAMA WANTS A ARMY, THAT WILL KILL AMERICAN PEOPLE !!!!! IF THEY WON’T DO IT, THEIR GONE, HE WILL MAKE UP LIES TO GET RID OF THEM, BECAUSE THEY WON’T ABIDE BY HIS ORDERS TO FIRE ON US !!!! OBAMA WANTS HIS OWN PRIVATE ARMY SO HE CAM TURN THIS GREAT COUNTRY INTO A MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD !!!! OBAMA NEED TO BE HUNG FOR TREASON !!!

  • baddab

    heard a report the other night from a russian speaking american in mass who had overheard some russian military speaking, not realizing he understood their conversation, talking about how dumb the american people are and how dumb they will really feel come nov 7……makes ya wonder whats possibly coming down???

  • baddab

    dan….can you WITHOUT LOOKING IT UP IN WEBSTERS, define racist???? NOTHING said by a marine was racist……slanderous maybe…..but not racist by any definition of the word

  • baddab

    correctamundo joaniebaloney!!!!! and the gullible all want to blame the repub’s, that were fighting for the rights of every american, libtard and conservative alike, for the govt shutdown….ya know ya just cant fix stupid….and the gullible that believe every lie spewed forth from the mouth of that lying nobama, pelosi and reid are as much to blame for the position this once great powerful nation is currently in…I am still waiting for nobama to say the sun will set normally in the pacific ocean then the next moring it will rise BACK out of the pacific where it set 12 hrs earlier and go back to the east…..the masses will be lining the pacific beaches watching with camera ready for that event to occur….

  • baddab

    its 11 now with the recent firing of 2 more, a brigader general and a csm (command sgt-major)

  • baddab

    clee white, gene roberts is a boot licking nobama supporter, thru and thru….believes every lie spewed from his mouth….if you show him documented or video evidence, he would be like the nobama supporters 5 yrs ago and proclaim it to be fake…..just like the 58 states~when asked by the press how many states he (nobama) had campaigned in, he responded, “I’ve been to 58, they wont let me go to the other 2.”….yes, I have the audio recording on a disk at home, and he did say 58 states……but people like gene roberts are beyond help and a padded room is too good for them….

  • Norman Watson

    You guys seen this coming and did nothing,You have let the American people down and you want me to fell sorry for you. Well I don’t an d if you have any Ideas please take time out and let someone know.
    We could possibly use your help when all hell breaks loose..Thanks a lot pal.

  • Jessie Phillips

    wow, someone was raped by a camel this morning

  • Jessie Phillips

    caliphate? is that a name for a gay bath house, much like mans country?

  • noah

    what the hell happened to our country. where did it all go wrong …. this all makes me disgusted. all these ffucking piece of shit rabs saying were going to take Christianity away and torture you and that shit like what the fuck is your damn problem. fuck america, and fuck any other place in this world on that note its all fucked and were all going to hell.

  • atmajnana

    You speak the language of the jihadists you would decimate. There are wiser ways to speak truth rather than burying it within the emotionalism of hating and killing. Your way satisfies the need to vent, but that venting shuts down any critical inquiry of the uninformed whose minds would otherwise be open to investigation. They see your truth as not worthy of follow up because of the virulence in which you encase what so offends you. Except for the choir who understands your preachment, you are a turn off to the unknowing who could benefit from objective study of the conquest tenets of Islam and other fine religious print the average Muslim around the world knows nothing about.

  • a marine .

    Well its plain to see that you dont understand whats going on, Islam will not change. You just study that evil book some, look at the way women are treated in the muslime world. Isam is a blood cult that worships satan its evil pure and simple, Maybe where you live the day will come and you see it up close, but your one of the ones that will enable them so you will get what you deserve. Go ahead and ignore the truth of islam you will rue the day.

  • Jeff

    Maybe these fine military leaders would be interested in leading our state militia’s. Their skills would be a big asset in coordinating the state militia’s in a national emergency.

  • zanzara2041

    We wipe our ass with pages from the Qur’an several times a day.

  • zanzara2041

    You limp dicks need children or little boys or lots of closely related women to try and get a stiffy, only to give birth to mentally handicapped progeny. You’re blowing and screwing your own selves into a genocidal ending of your religion.

  • Imam Khalid of Basra

    As a child growing up in Kenya, Brother Barack always took such comfort in the teachings of Islam, which he has carried with him his whole life. One of his dreams has always been to make America into a Socialist Muslim theocracy, and by banning Christianity and forcing you inbred racist baggers to forsake your pagan cult, he is getting much closer to making that dream a reality.

  • 2cents

    he just posted like that to piss people off,he enjoys this shit lol

  • 2cents

    whiskey tango foxtroth he’s just trying to piss people off don’t waste your time with bullshit OOOORAH

  • 2cents

    Well said Gene…some people can’t tell a troll….

  • Brian

    The bible is more of a text book. Don’t look at it from a religious/church standpoint. The bible does not match science because we are fed propaganda filled science. When you look at real science you’ll see the bible a different way. I researched science, it lead me to believe in god in a factual way. Start with the real reasons we have coal today. Good luck.

  • Brian

    not at all

  • Brian

    Obama has been attacking his own people for five years now

  • brian

    troll

  • economichostage

    You a little late there cowboy, And if that’s all you have to offer as intelligent debate, then you need to move outta your trailer and get back in touch with the rest of the human race.

  • Darrelln99

    The real question is “Who replaced them?” Hitler replaced his Generals with henchmen who were capable of killing millions of civilians! The fear comes from the Federal Government NOT proudly annoucing their replacements. Also, 9 fired seems to be an alarming number, for whatever reason. Instead of attacking each other you should be doing some research! How many Generals are there? If there are only 10 or 20 we are in deep trouble! If there are a hundred I’m not too concerned.

  • dra1929

    Take Gen Carey for example (they can’t even spell it right above). He was relieved for personal behavior, specifically alcohol abuse. Under his watch the ICBM crews has received poor readiness ratings and been criticized for lax discipline. His commanding officer relieved him, not the President.

    Alcohol abuse will get your PRP status revoked, regardless of rank.

    I’ll leave it to others to discover the valid reasons for the other firings.

  • TPM4

    I DON’T THINK THAT HE WILL GET HIS WISH NO MATTER WHAT THESE MILITARY MEN SAY

  • Dan

    You are the traitor. A traitor of the people of the world. Your negative and paranoid, along with disgusting and mentally ill. Oh, and extremely ignorant. Capitalization doesn’t make your remarks true, or more palatable. Fear mongering racist right wing fascist ass holes should be treated as such, and kicked out of the planet. You don’t even know what type of principals the US was founded on. Duh.

  • Dan

    Your coming for me? is that a threat, or a promise? I live at 105 Elliott st. Cambridge Ontario, Canada, do your worst. I’d love to see you come to my place and say that to my face. Or is it just internet threats that get you off? Fucking stupid racist ignorant fascist neo-con.

  • dan

    That is so fucking retarted

  • Dan

    You are such and idiot. Conservatives turn into fascists, not liberals. Read a book. Hitler was a conservative, and just like your crazy right wing factions, are spreading lies, propaganda and fear mongering. Clueless? What is wrong with wanting to help others? Blame the people who want to do good in the world, that makes a lot of sense. You should all save yourselves and every one else the headaches, and just kill your selves.

  • a marine .

    Well fool first you need to read the quaran it plainly says to convert every one to islam or else , its ok for a muslime to lie cheat steal break any law as long as its to further islam, wake up ass hole , we need to get rid of them before they get rid of us, and your a traitor, oh and just for your on education , I have two masters and one phd, you need to go back to school and at least get your GED. YOUR JUST THE ABNORNAL DEMONCRAT AND WORSHIP OBAMY, YOU WILL GET WHAT YOU DESERVE ,

  • a marine .

    As a note they are only required to follow legal orders.

  • Brian Grierson

    Exactly. The only problem comes when they determine what is and is not a legal order and if they can cover themselves legally in a JAG investigation.

  • calmo

    The reasons for the firings were obviously intended to look phony. Why? “I can do this, and you know I’m doing it for other reasons, and there’s nothing you can do about it!!!”

  • Gene Roberts

    “They” who?

  • Gene Roberts

    You really can’t be that ignorant? Tell me you know better and are making a joke?

  • Gene Roberts

    Matthew, try and follow…I’ll type slowly? The weak rely on religion. They cannot face that their lives are merely the result of a biological function and that their purpose is to procreate and die. They need to have Jesus, Mohammed, Buddah, God, Isis, Odin and all of the other false deities in order to face death. Your reality, the one where you pray to something you’ve never seen, is certainly not my reality.

  • Gene Roberts

    Brian…you are delusional. The Bible is hardly a textbook.

  • Gene Roberts

    Jason, the beauty of not relying on God or Allah to get me through the day is that I am more than capable of self reliance. If I succeed, it was my work and effort that caused the success. If I fail, it is because I did not do something right or I did not work hard enough. I don’t pray for something to go my way and then give “the Lord” the credit when it happens or if it does not, shrug my shoulders and say, “It was God’s will”. Another indicator od self reliance is that I would not just allow you to torture me. As a believing Christian, I suppose you would do something so foolish? Surely, you will go to Heaven if you die and all of the pain would be God’s will?

  • Gene Roberts

    Do you realize that your sentence does not make any sense?

  • Gene Roberts

    Why don’t you share some of your education with me? Tell me where in the Oath of Enlistment, the Constitution or the Uniform Code of Military Justice where it says that it is okay to dissect the oath and obey the parts with which you agree and discard those with which you do not?

  • Gene Roberts

    Consequently, as a retired Paratrooper, I’m guessing I might know a bit more than you about American and World History, esprit de corps and real American spirit as opposed to the self-righteous, flag-waving demonstrations performed by the TeaTards.

  • Gene Roberts

    Rogue7, Your turn to follow. You…do not get to be the person who decides that an order given by the President of the united States is unlawful. There are 544 people who collectively make that decision. I do not claim to be a subject matter expert on the oath of enlistment, but since you are apparently, you know full well that you, as a Soldier, do not get to dissect the oath and obey the parts you like and disobey those with which you disagree. Of course, you might have a bit of experience in getting around an order issued by an overzealous officer. Your knowledge and rank gave you the luxury of a chain of command with whom you could clarify such orders should those officers had insisted. Since the POTUS is the top of the chain of command, his orders are lawful until deemed otherwise by Congress and the U.S. Supreme Court. Now since you felt it necessary to try and rectify something that I stated Barbi regarding any changes to the oath of enlistment … and to my knowledge there have not been any such changes … I would ask for specific clarification on where I was mistaken? If Barbi did indeed have such a conversation with said “liberal soldier” regarding that individual’s oath of enlistment…the soldier would have been wrong in his assessment of where his loyalties should be directed. To “support and defend the Constitution of the United States” is in and of itself a promise to support and defend the constitutional processes and ALL that they entail … to include the election process and result. “Where it gets tricky” as you so eloquently put it, is “all enemies foreign and domestic”. Foreign enemies are usually pretty clear … but “domestic” enemies can tend to be a bit arbitrary depending on who you ask.

  • Gene Roberts

    Rogue7, Since you felt compelled to correct something I might have said in error to Barbi concerning the oath of enlistment, I would like some specific clarification concerning my mistake? I have taken the oath a number of times as I mentioned and it was always the same oath. I have never claimed to be a subject matter expert (SME) on the oath of enlistment. However, since you are an expert apparently, you could help me out? Has there been a change to the oath as suggested by Barbi? What is the change? If there has not been a change then I would concede that IF she did indeed have a conversation with said “liberal soldier”, that the soldier’s interpretation of where his loyalties lay are, in part, incorrect.

    Now it is your turn to try and follow. Since you have taken the oath a number of
    times yourself, surely you realize that it is one single sentence? Real soldiers don’t get to dissect that sentence and obey the parts that they like and disregard those parts with which they disagree. I am certain that over 29
    years you have had your run-ins with overzealous officers. You also had the experience to sidestep orders that were “unlawful” and the knowledge of how to use the Chain of Command in order to clarify those orders had the officers insisted on compliance. The Chain of Command was responsible for
    determining the lawfulness of those orders. That having been said, neither you nor I get to be the persons to decide the lawfulness of an order given by the President of the United States. Certainly, a soldier might disobey an order
    from the President for ethical or ideological reasons, but that soldier is still governed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice and all of its weight. There are 544 people who are collectively responsible for insuring that orders issued by the President down the chain of command are lawful orders. To “support and defend the Constitution of the United States” is a promise to also support and defend the constitutional processes to include the election process and the election results. “Where it gets tricky” as you so eloquently put it, is “against all
    enemies foreign and domestic”. Foreign enemies are usually pretty clear.
    Domestic enemies however, can be a bit arbitrary depending on who you ask.

  • Edward Teach

    My mistake…You’re Canadian. You don’t even count.

  • alnga

    This actually a simple question to answer. When you empty the military of folks who do not agree with you , it will become much easier to arm up DHS for the removal of our rights and property. If you are not ready to defend yourself and your family then you will become a prisoner of the force behind the DHS power grab.

  • memaone1

    Are you reading rewritten History by The Progressives?

  • marilyn

    very well said

  • Badnblond

    read that also. cant wait,

  • Bitch

    Well looks to me like we have plenty of Generals to run the Americans defense army if Obama tries to take over in any way!

  • Badnblond

    The day after Infowars reported the nukes were on the way to Charleston, Graham spoke on national Tv saying if we do not go into Syria some “they” were threatening a nuclear attack on guess where…Charleston. There is a great video on Infowars where the reporter calls Dyess Airforce base and simply says, “I’d like to speak to the person in charge of transfers” And the dipshit that answered says, I can’t discuss any shipment of weapons. uhhh did he say anything about weapons? To think that our government was actually going to endanger the people of Charleston SC so they could play war games. People better wake the F up before they are ushered into fema camps. You can track and investigate this entire story through Infowars.com. The birther report…. Brietbert,… Offgridliving

  • Don Lanpher

    Keep your powder dry………

  • Mike

    Let them leave the military…now they’ll be on our side!

  • American Girl

    I think you meant to say ‘you’re’ doc… and I’m a high school drop out. At first, I thought “maybe he just typed your on accident” but then you did it again. Its you’re as in you are, not your as in belonging to you. I’d ask for my collage tuition back. No seriously. Good day.

  • James Adkins

    Just wanted to point out a typo not trying to be rude “Commander of the Joint Task Force-Horn at Camp Lamar, Djibouti, Africa.” it should read Combined Joint task force – Horn of Africa or CJTF-HOA and its Camp Lemonnier
    pronounces lemon-air or lemon-yea depending on were your from

  • Helicopoter277DB

    It shows, you spelled college incorrectly.

  • lynnlynn

    Wow….there’s an emergency broadcasting test being held that day at 2 pm. Yikes.

  • Martin McDole

    The level of ignorance posted in these comments is stunning. Obama’s administration is certainly up to something and I do believe that it is something very big. Historical in every sense of the word. The biggest disappointment that I will have when it happens is that I won’t be able to see the faces of those defending Obama. It will be worth millions. It is not possible for any single individual to stop this mess, however, if we can band together we can shut this tyrant down. Now is the time to come to arms.

  • Garry hall

    Why is he still President ?

  • JAZ

    Why haven’t these Officers spoken out??

  • JAZ

    AND Mr. Soetoro himself said that he was born in Kenya. Why would he lie??? I know-going for sarcasm.

  • yukon57

    A Marine, Love ya Brother, well said, Islam is not a religion of peace they believe in total domination! I wish the elites would read history. Lock and load amigo.

  • Keet Hensley

    Come on people, are you still in DENIAL? This is FACT and the Fired Senior staff of the military is evidence. Do you need a Bullet in your head before your brain starts to realize HE is going to start Killing US, United States Citizens and using our own Children to do it.

    It is quite obvious to me, that Obama is just a figurehead and that there is much more to it, the whole Government is corrupt and that is why they refuse to remove him, there is no better target to start the Civil war that they want. If some sucker takes him out, then we get Biden and he will declare Marshall Law and proclaim himself KING.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, don’t think these people have not tried to cover all bases, this has been in the works Long Before Obama, he is just the sacrificial lamb that they hope will piss us off enough for the real plotters to implement their devious plan. Do you really believe everything that the media tells you or what the Politicians tell them to tell you?

    Have you ever heard of the “Thinning of the herd”? since we are not able to find any country big enough to have a real war with, this is the plan to thin us down to a manageable sized herd, with only the fittest to survive, but of course they would also want them to be “Manageable” .

    My statement to the whole world, See how Peaceful the American People really are, getting kicked around, plotted against, insulted in every possible way, abused by our own Government, threatened with using troops and Military weapons against us and we refuse to fire the first shot or draw the first blood, but I Guarantee, when first blood is drawn, this SLEEPING GIANT will wake up and restore this Country to the Country of Peace that our Forefathers built before the greedy politicians took it over with the money they use to purchase our elections.

    It is the American Spirit in the PEOPLE not the Corruption in the Government that makes this a Great and Powerful Nation, I say Islam, when you do harm to our Citizens you aim too low, I always thought you seek the HEAD of the Infidel? so why are you trimming our toenails? It is not our people that seek to steal your Oil or your treasures, we are not greedy or we would become politicians. Those same Politicians that now seek to steal our freedoms and treasures and soon we too will understand what your lives have been like. Our fantastic freedoms and opportunities are being taken away from us and soon even you would not want to live here.

    Our own Government seeks to have us kill each other by pitting, Whites against Blacks, Poor against Working class, Republican against Democrats, Legals against Illegals, Christians against Islamic and any other fight they can provoke as they play the childish games with peoples lives.

    My generation was taught something and I wish to refresh the Baby-Boomers minds, “Sticks and Stones, Can Break My Bones, BUT Names and Knowns can Never Hurt Me.” As a child I was bullied and took it and took it until the opportunity came my way, this worm turned and got restitution for every beating I had ever gotten, and believe me, I have never been bullied since and don’t intend to be now.

    Share this if you believe in Our Country and the People in it, without believing that our Government represents us because we don’t want what you have, we have enough of our own. Soon, Oil will become as filthy as pig poop and useless, and we don’t need your sand, we have enough here, you cannot grow anything on your desert sand so why would we want your land? The American public does not profit from your Oil or Treasures so it sure must be the Greedy leaders, you know them, they send the troops that have no clue why they are there.

    I Pray, Peace or if Blood flows, God knows our Hearts and who it is that Believes in Him rather then those Vain, Greedy, Selfish people that want Power and Control, for they think themselves to be gods.

  • Keet Hensley

    More Proof is showing up all the time.
    Come on people, are you still in DENIAL? This is FACT and the Fired Senior staff of the military is evidence. Do you need a Bullet in your head before your brain starts to realize HE is going to start Killing US, United States Citizens and using our own Children to do it.

    It is quite obvious to me, that Obama is just a figurehead and that there is much more to it, the whole Government is corrupt and that is why they refuse to remove him, there is no better target to start the Civil war that they want. If some sucker takes him out, then we get Biden and he will declare Marshall Law and proclaim himself KING.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, don’t think these people have not tried to cover all bases, this has been in the works Long Before Obama, he is just the sacrificial lamb that they hope will piss us off enough for the real plotters to implement their devious plan. Do you really believe everything that the media tells you or what the Politicians tell them to tell you?

    Have you ever heard of the “Thinning of the herd”? since we are not able to find any country big enough to have a real war with, this is the plan to thin us down to a manageable sized herd, with only the fittest to survive, but of course they would also want them to be “Manageable” .

    My statement to the whole world, See how Peaceful the American People really are, getting kicked around, plotted against, insulted in every possible way, abused by our own Government, threatened with using troops and Military weapons against us and we refuse to fire the first shot or draw the first blood, but I Guarantee, when first blood is drawn, this SLEEPING GIANT will wake up and restore this Country to the Country of Peace that our Forefathers built before the greedy politicians took it over with the money they use to purchase our elections.

    It is the American Spirit in the PEOPLE not the Corruption in the Government that makes this a Great and Powerful Nation, I say Islam, when you do harm to our Citizens you aim too low, I always thought you seek the HEAD of the Infidel? so why are you trimming our toenails? It is not our people that seek to steal your Oil or your treasures, we are not greedy or we would become politicians. Those same Politicians that now seek to steal our freedoms and treasures and soon we too will understand what your lives have been like. Our fantastic freedoms and opportunities are being taken away from us and soon even you would not want to live here.

    Our own Government seeks to have us kill each other by pitting, Whites against Blacks, Poor against Working class, Republican against Democrats, Legals against Illegals, Christians against Islamic and any other fight they can provoke as they play the childish games with peoples lives.

    My generation was taught something and I wish to refresh the Baby-Boomers minds, “Sticks and Stones, Can Break My Bones, BUT Names and Knowns can Never Hurt Me.” As a child I was bullied and took it and took it until the opportunity came my way, this worm turned and got restitution for every beating I had ever gotten, and believe me, I have never been bullied since and don’t intend to be now.

    Share this if you believe in Our Country and the People in it, without believing that our Government represents us because we don’t want what you have, we have enough of our own. Soon, Oil will become as filthy as pig poop and useless, and we don’t need your sand, we have enough here, you cannot grow anything on your desert sand so why would we want your land? The American public does not profit from your Oil or Treasures so it sure must be the Greedy leaders, you know them, they send the troops that have no clue why they are there.

    I Pray, Peace or if Blood flows, God knows our Hearts and who it is that Believes in Him rather then those Vain, Greedy, Selfish people that want Power and Control, for they think themselves to be gods.

  • Keet Hensley

    Try getting your own Police scanner, see how much news is not reported at all, like the suicide rates, the murders, and the only things the media can report on is bullcrap over and over or something that will just piss us off more. I sat here at my desk and listen, this week alone and it is just Thursday, there have been more then 50 calls for, attempted, wanting to or completed Suicides in my County alone.
    Can I make a plea here?

    People PLEASE, if you decide to wimp out and take your own life, leave your kids and spouse alone, I am sure they will make it fine without you. Times may seem tough to you now, but it will pass, there are plenty of us around still having a thirst for life and don’t need you killing us either.

    Just think, you are not alone, we all are going through it. We are Americans and WE THE PEOPLE will survive unless we wimp out.

  • luvus

    Danny boy u r such a fu@#$%g retard and all you dumbass muslim idiotic friends tell allah and the rest of your kind to get out of the usa or we will run u out

  • Keet Hensley

    Thank GOD!

    I would not want to face forever with you. Sorry if you have never had a blessing or prayer answered as I have had so many great ones, that I could NEVER EVER deny GOD or the Covenant of Jesus Christ. Believe me, it is the Strongest that believe in GOD and you only believe that you are it and that is all “IT” is about but you people of Denial are always the first to cry for GOD when the chips fall and then it is way too late because HE does not know you.

    Just keep your opinion to yourself, you are welcome to it, but quit trying to offend us that have real Faith, because we have had GOD proven to us and your mere words cannot change that any more then mine can change you.

    The biggest problem in our Government is all those Atheist that believe in their own vanity and money instead of admitting there is something more powerful then them. Our founding Fathers knew there is a GOD and put HIM all over everything to make that statement, that is why the enemy fights so hard to remove “IN GOD WE TRUST” because it is so POWERFUL.

    What office are you running for?

  • Keet Hensley

    Same here, and Thank You Brian, I too was as Gene Roberts is, but Like Saul was changed to Paul, I too have become such a Believer when Science proved the Bible to be real and GOD did so many IMPOSSIBLE things in my life. I think Gene is from the Show Me State or just has not reached his Spiritual maturity yet, GOD gives us free will to get us to that maturity point and if we never do then we must be God?

  • Keet Hensley

    yup weak minds like addicts always in denial.

  • Gene Roberts

    Keet, I promise that I will not be crying for God or any other mythological being when the “chips are down”. If you are offended by my remarks then you must see enough merit in them not to ignore them.
    As far as my keeping my opinions to myself are concerned, my “opinions” are far more substantiated by historical fact and logical deduction than are your childish beliefs in the supernatural or your definition of “proof”. I will make my opinions public as I see fit without reservation to yours or anyone else’s approval.
    Religion of any type of any degree does not belong in the government of a multi-cultured nation such as ours. Atheist who believe in their own vanity and money” are those individuals who pretend to be Christians and lead the poor, witless masses into the polls with promises of ending abortions. Most Atheists are normal, everyday Americans who work and struggle along side those real Christians.
    You reference to the Founding Fathers and their confirmation of God is also uninformed. I challenge you to do a little more research using historical data and not the Bible. “IN GOD WE TRUST” did not appear on our coins until 1864 … many years after our Founding Fathers were dead and buried.

  • luvus

    here’s a clue imam tell the Qur’an and your wonderful allah to stuff it as far up their asses as possible because all you fucking towelheads are the same troublemaking clowns and expect us the greatest nation ever to bow down to you pathetic ways well got news for u not gonna happen,u come to the greatest country there is and start changing our laws to suit you well go back to towel head country and get out of the us and take obama with u

  • luvus

    tell brother obama asshole that your fucking towelhead community won’t survive because we the american people are here to stay, we will chew u up and shit you out like a bad meal.

  • luvus

    we the american people will fuck u up your kind is the biggest racist,murderers,and female haters of anyone i know,u think everyone will bow down to u,well wake up to reality shit for brains

  • luvus

    absolutely i agree

  • luvus

    no because he is a towelhead plain and simple

  • Jim

    Hitler was ‘conservative’? HE was for GOVT control of industry, national health care, restricting free speech, all about MASSIVE printing of money to stimulate the economy. WHO does that sound like? Democrats.

  • Keet Hensley

    Geee Gene,

    Thank you for your educated response, even the devil reads the Bible and attends Church. Your education keeps you knowledgable and analytical and intelligent enough to think for yourself. Wishing you would, but no matter to me, I too think for myself and I do get along working side by side with Atheist, Jews and ALL other believers or Non-believers without shoving my opinion down their throats because I am confident in my Faith and what I believe, secure enough that I don’t need to attempt to prove anything to anyone else.

    Your argument is not about Faith, as you have Faith in yourself and your abilities and intelligence, GOD Bless you for that, you deserve that. I kind of believe more in Proverbs 8:1 – 8:34 and the Wisdom, and knowledge promised to me and was proven to me since I was a child. Thank GOD for that too, because I am not limited by the books I learned from or my teachers personal limitations or my own limitations to absorb knowledge, yes I give GOD the credit for all those things I knew how to do so well even though I never was taught how.

    Yes I admit, I am an Idiot by myself without GOD and I thank HIM so much for that.

    I just wish the people making decisions in our lives had some kind of guidance from GOD instead of relying on their own Book Learned Idiocy.

  • Tim

    Amen keet! Well said….We can only pray that God opens the eye’s of heathens like gene Roberts!

  • Staci K.

    Gene, I hope one day you have an amazing conversion experience, when the Holy Spirit softens your heart enough to let Him in. When it does, you’ll know it. No amount of secular therapy or self-reliance compares to the amazing internal transformation that happens at the moment you truly believe. Can’t describe it. I pray for you, and others who do not believe, so that one day you can share in the Kingdom of Heaven.

  • Gene Roberts

    Staci, no need to worry about me. I’m one of those folks who don’t understand why God would allow me to pray myself out of a problem that he caused. “Secular therapy and self-reliance” is important for people who don’t believe in spirits, holy or otherwise. The so-called “internal transformation” does not over-shadow flawed logic and magic miracles that are not supported by science nor history. Needless to say, I expect nothing more than what I can get for myself and what I can give to others during our singular lifetime.

  • RGIII%r

    WE WILL NOT WIMP OUT

  • Jimmy Moore

    Read this

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  • QUINNMT

    First you purge the leaders of the military …….Is this not what Stalin did so as not to have any say he wrong? History is repeating itself again. No leaders, no military , no protection for the United states….

  • Jimmy Moore

    It takes more faith to not believe in God and takes less faith to believe in God, I wish I had the faith you had in not believing in God as I do believe in God then I could move Mountains and do more for this country

  • WhiteGuy2

    The military is the only chance we have to stop Obama from a dictatorship. Purging those who may remain loyal to their country citizen’s is.the only way to ensure there will be no opposing threats to an Obama communist state.

  • Keet Hensley

    Enjoy the camp, as for me, I was a good boy scout and learned to “Be Prepared” I have seen so much for myself, that even without all the internet Hype, I am convinced. Probably with my Flag Flying 24/7 and the lights on my Eagle, they will know I am a Patriot and should be targeted first, But I am not wimping out.

  • Margaret Anderson

    THANK YOU, KEET HENSLEY- THIS IS WHAT ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE THINKING, JUST WAITING……PRAY THAT GOD BE IN OUR HEARTS, AND MINDS WHEN, NOT IF, THIS GOES DOWN!

  • ken

    FUCK YOU, YOU MUSSLIM PIECE OF SHIT,,,,

  • ken

    BRING IT ON,, IT WILL BE A BLOOD BATH,,,

  • Kevin Mulder

    OMG the government is gonna take over and then they’ll be running things…..oh wait, they’re already in charge! This has got to be some of the most idiotic, paranoid, delusional total bullshit I’ve ever heard. This is a joke news blog like the onion right?

  • http://gravatar.com/hummingharpman hummingharpman

    Commander-in-Chief?!…THAT is showing this POS, our arselifter-in-chief waaaay too much respect and a damn site more the —-ing traitor is due!!

  • http://gravatar.com/hummingharpman hummingharpman

    Are you for real imam or is this horse shit you’re spreading just satire mocking arselifters!….Either way….It really doesn’t matter…looks as though you’re damned in any case!!

  • Elliot

    My reply is to say to the United States’ military branches: It is time for all service members to fulfill your sworn oaths to protect The Constitution of the United States of America. We the People of this nation call upon you to arrest and immediately remove Barack H. Obama physically and permananty from the environs of OUR capitol. Deadly force may be called for and is authoized as per your personal oath of service to this country.

  • Gene Roberts

    Commander in Chief. One of the President’s official duties. You know, just like the last guy who ordered 4,500 American Troops to their deaths and 10s of thousands more to be injured and maimed for no justifiable reason. Commander in Chief is his title, whether you like it or not.

  • Gene Roberts

    You really should take all of that to the authorities and get that guy kicked-out of the duly elected office he is holding because the other morons in Congress don’t have your connections.

  • Gene Roberts

    It takes no faith not to believe in God. It is easy … I look at Christians and watch how they react to people like Benny Hinn and other exploiters of the weak-minded. I watch how they idolize criminals like George w. Bush and Ronald Reagan who were responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths and how they would accept a confirmed cult – Christian as their candidate over a self-identified Christian because the latter is Black and has a funny sounding name … not that Mitt isn’t funny-sounding. I study History and consider the MILLIONS who have been killed in the “name of God”. It would be funny if it wasn’t so damned tragic.

  • Jimmy Moore

    Yes Millions have been killed and they are Christians, Yes the Bibles say’s that many will be killed in my name, yes wars were started because of Christianity, by Muslims, and Atheists and war factions Christians have really never Started the wars even the muslims that started the war for attacking Christians and the jews The inquisitions war was never started the war OK so do some more studies on that subject

  • Gene Roberts

    Jimmy, thousands were slaughtered in God’s name as a result of The Inquisitions, a quarter million tortured and put to penance. That may not sound like a big number … but considering the population of Europe from the 12th thru the 19th centuries, it was quite significant. Add those to the couple of hundred thousand killed during 200 years of Crusades … not started by Muslims, but by God fearing Christians … and who did they kill? Muslims of course …and some Jews … and other Christians. But Hell, God will sort that out. By the way, I never mentioned the word “war” but since you brought it up, the Catholics who killed Protestants in Ireland, and vice versa, that was a war. And also, I mentioned all religion. You have taken it upon your self to single-out Christians as the true followers of the real God … who also happens to be the same God worshipped by the Jews and the Muslims. Back to the murders in God’s name. There were the witch trials and the slaughter of countless natives throughout the Americas, also in the name of God. It was good Christians who started the slave trade in England and many other good Christians who bought and sold other humans right here in the good ole U.S. of A. You see Jimmy, I could go on extensively with my proof that God, at least the God of Love and Forgiveness through Jesus Christ does not exist … and you cannot provide one shred of evidence to the contrary.

  • Jimmy Moore

    History Crash Course #48: The Inquisition
    The Inquisition sought to expose Jews who converted to Christianity but were still secretly Jewish.by Rabbi Ken Spiro

    In Part 45, when we discussed the Crusades, we covered the war of the Church against the Muslims in the Middle East. Now we turn to the war of the Church against Muslims in Europe. This war went on for quite some time in fits and starts – from the time the Muslim Moors arrived in Spain in 711. It took a long time for the Christians to vanquish them. The first Muslim stronghold to fall was Toledo in 1085; the last was Granada in 1492.

    As the Christian re-conquest gained momentum, Jews in these newly re-conquered Christians territories began to suffer from increasingly harsher persecutions.

    In their blood-thirsty vengeance against the Muslims, the Spanish Christians included the Jews, whom they put in the category of infidels.

    In 14th century Barcelona, for example, the whole Jewish community was murdered by a rioting mob. First given shelter by some Christians, these Jews were pressured to convert. Those who did not were refused protection.

    Writes Professor B. Netanyahu in his 1,400-page work, The Origins of the Inquisition, quoting an eyewitness account of the time:

    “Those of them who refused to accept baptism were immediately slain, and their corpses, stretched in the streets and the squares, offered a horrendous spectacle.” (p. 159)

    Just how many Jews converted in these forced mass conversions that accompanied the Christian conquest of Spain? Estimates rage between tens of thousands to as many as 600,000. (See The Origins of the Inquisition, p. 1095.)

    Many of those who converted did so only outwardly, continuing to practice Judaism in secret. In due time, the Christians caught on to these phony conversions and decided to root out the heretics.

    The Spanish Inquisition

    The Inquisition we are going to cover now is the Spanish Inquisition, which began officially by papal bull issued by Pope Sixtus IV on November 1, 1478.

    (We should note, however, that the very first Inquisition actually took place in 1233 under orders from Pope Gregory IX to combat a group of French-Christian heretics called “Albigenses.” This first Inquisition was relatively mild and did not as a rule sentence people to death. Not so the Spanish Inquisition which was directed against Jewish “heretics”.)

    Unlike its earlier version, the Spanish Inquisition sought to punish Jews who had converted to Christianity but were not really “sincere” in their conversions.

    There is a great deal of irony in this. First you tell people they have to convert or die, then, when they do convert, you decide to kill them anyway because their conversions are not “sincere.”

    There was another reason for the Inquisition, which had little to do with the sincerity of conversions. Once Jews converted to Christianity they had an open access to the playing field, economically and politically. And, of course, they prospered mightily. That engendered a lot of hostility from the Christians – a pattern we have seen in Jewish history ever since the enslavement of the Israelites by the Egyptians.

    The Christians began to call converted Jews “New Christians” to distinguish them from the “Old Christians” i.e. themselves. Derogatorily, Jewish converts to Christianity were called converses meaning “converts,” or worse yet marranos, meaning “pigs.”

    The basic accusation was that these Jews were not real converts to Christianity – they were secretly practicing Judaism. That was certainly often the case. There were large numbers of Jews who would be outwardly Christian but who would continue to practice Judaism secretly.

    Until this day, there exist Christian communities with clear Jewish roots dating back to this time. There are people in the United States (in New Mexico and Arizona) as well as in South and Central America, who are descended from Spanish or Portuguese settlers, and who have strange customs they cannot explain. For example, even though they are Catholics, on Friday night they go down to the cellar to light candles. They don’t know the origins of the custom, but they do it. These people are clearly descended from Jews who pretended to be Christians and yet were practicing Jewish rituals in secret.

    The job of the Inquisition was to find such people, torture them until they admitted their “crime,” and then kill them.

    Ferdinand and Isabella

    Every American child knows about King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella – they are the monarchs who backed Christopher Columbus in his discovery of America. However, here are a few things that most people don’t know about them.

    The marriage of Ferdinand V, and Isabella I, in 1469 unified Spain, in some measure making the final victory over the Muslims possible. Prior to their reign, Spain was a collection of provinces – the two primary being Aragon and Castile. When Ferdinand of Aragon married Isabella of Castile, these two provinces were united by marriage into a mighty kingdom.

    Isabella was a “fervent” Christian and, in 1478, she asked the Pope for permission to set up an Inquisition to weed out heresy in the Christian world. The Pope obliged, issuing on November 1, 1478, a papal bull called Exigit Sincere Devotion Is. Ferdinand and Isabella followed that up with a royal decree on September 27, 1480.

    One might think that riding Christianity of heretics should involve targeting other groups, not just false Jewish converts. However, the royal decree mentioned no one else. Writes Professor B. Netanyahu (p.3):

    The royal decree explicitly stated that the Inquisition was instituted to search out and punish converts from Judaism who transgressed against Christianity by secretly adhering to Jewish beliefs and performing rites and ceremonies of the Jews. No other group was mentioned, no other purpose indicated – a fact that in itself suggest a close relationship between the creation of the Inquisition and Jewish life in Spain. Other facts, too, attest to that relationship.

    Although the first inquisitors got to work a few months after the decree, it was not until 1483 – when Tomas de Torquemada, a Spanish Dominican monk, was appointed Grand Inquisitor – that the Inquisition got its bloody reputation. Torquemada – who was descended from Jewish converts to Christianity some time back – outdid the worst anti-Semites with his brutality.

    (One of the most fascinating and depressing sub-plots of this drama is how many of the major Christian personalities in this story had either Jewish ancestry or were actually Jewish according to Jewish law. In addition to Torquemada, Jewish blood also flowed through the veins of:

    King Ferdinand V

    Queen Isabella I

    Diego de Raza-Grand Inquisitor after Torquemada

    Hernando de Talavera-Isabella’s personal confessor (mother was converse)

    Pedro de la Caballeria and Alonso de Cabrera – (both converses)who helped arrange the wedding of Ferdinand and Isabella

    Gabriel Sanchez (converse) – chief treasurer or Aragon

    Luis de Santangel (converse) – Ferdinand’s budget Minister. (Sanchez and Santangel were responsible for financing the voyage of Christopher Columbus – also of Jewish ancestry – more on this later!) (1)

    How did the Inquisition work?

    Jewish converses would be arrested and accused of not being true Christians. They wouldn’t even know who was accusing them; evidence would be presented against them in secret. Then they would be tortured until they confessed to being heretics. Then, once they confessed, they would be killed. The usual form was burning at the stake, though if they were willing to kiss the cross, they would be spared the horrible pain of burning and would be strangled instead.

    The key point is that it really didn’t matter if they repented – they died either way.

    What if some people refused to confess even under torture? Or worse, what if some people admitted right away to practicing Judaism secretly, but even when tortured refused to concede the truth of Christianity? If they survived the horrendous tortures, they would be burned at the stake in a ceremony called auto-da-fe meaning “act of faith.”

    This went on until 1834 when the Inquisition was finally abolished, by which time every Spaniard came to fear its power. By then the Inquisition’s field of operations had spread to Christian heretics, Protestants sects, witches, and even people who read the wrong books. The Inquisition was even able to reach into territories outside of the Spanish Empire. If Jewish converses fled to other more friendly countries, the Inquisition could have followed them, even as far as Brazil, where the last person was burned at the stake in the 19th century.

    Expulsion

    The year 1492 marked the fall of Granada, the last Muslim stronghold on the Iberian Peninsula, bringing to an end the Muslim domination of Spain which had lasted nearly 800 years. Spain returned to being a completely Christian country.

    Shortly thereafter, Ferdinand and Isabella, decided to throw all the Jews out of Spain. This time, in the expulsion edict, the monarchs were not targeting Jewish converts to Christianity, rather they were targeting Jews who had never converted. Why? The main reason stated in the Edict of Expulsion, signed on March 31st 1492, was to keep Jews from re-Judaizing the converses. Another factor that certainly played a big role (besides anti-Semitism) was that Jewish money was now needed to rebuild the kingdom after the costly war against the Muslims. Rather than slowly squeezing the money out of the Jews through taxation, it was easier to expel them all at once and confiscate the wealth and property they would leave behind.

    The Edict of Expulsion declared:

    Whereas, having been informed that in these kingdoms, there were some bad Christians who Judaized and apostatized from our holy Catholic faith, the chief cause of which was the communication of Jews with Christians…we ordered the said Jews in all cities, towns, and places in our kingdoms and dominions to separate into Jewries [ghettos] and place apart… hoping by their separation alone to remedy this evil… But we are informed that neither that, not the execution of some of the said Jews… has been sufficient for a complete remedy…

    Therefore we… resolve to order all the said Jews and Jewesses to quit our kingdoms and never return… by the end of the month of July next, of the present year 1492… if they do not perform and execute the same, and are found to reside in out kingdoms… they incur the penalty of death… We likewise grant permission and authority to said Jews… to export their wealth and property… provided they do not take away gold, silver, money, or other articles prohibited by the laws of kingdom.

    The Jews tried to get the edict reversed, of course. The key player in the drama was Don Isaac Abravanel – who was a great Torah scholar and rabbi. He was one of the great Jewish personalities of this period of time, and had served as the treasurer of Spain, thus being the most powerful Jew in Spain. He tried very hard to rescind the expulsion order, at one point offering the monarchs 300,000 ducats for a reprieve.

    He actually almost succeeded in getting the monarchs to rescind the edict, but his near-success only ignited the ire of the Grand Inquisitor Tomas de Torquemada.

    According to the legend, Torquemada – who had an enormous amount of influence over the Queen Isabella, being her confessor – walked in while Abravanel was pleading his cause. Incensed, he threw the cross at the Queen, hitting her in the head and yelled: “Judas sold his master (Jesus) for 30 pieces of silver. Now you would sell him anew!”

    And so Don Isaac Abravanel lost. But he was so important to the monarchs that they gave him a special dispensation to stay; they even agreed that another nine Jews could stay with him so he could pray with a minyan. He refused. In fact, he became the leader of the Jews of Spain as they went into exile.

    The six months between the issuing of the edict and the actual expulsion were catastrophic for the Jewish community. Having lived in Spain for centuries they were now being told that they all had leave! Where would they go? To add insult to injury, they had to liquidate all their assets but could not take most of their wealth with them. They were forced to sell a massive amount of real state, personal goods and other valuables at a fraction of their actual worth. In short, most of the Jews lost virtually everything.

    Now, on what day was the Jewish community sent into exile? August 2, 1492. (the original date was July 31st, but Torquemada extended it by a few days.)This day just happened to be the 9th of Av, the same date as the destruction of the first and second Temple in Jerusalem (and many other disasters as we have already seen). On that day the Jews of Spain (some 150,000 – 200,000 people) were forced to abandon their vast possessions and leave. The remainder (around 60,000 though it’s unknown exactly how many) stayed, agreeing to convert.

    Christopher Columbus

    The day after the expulsion, August 3, 1492, Christopher Columbus left on his famed voyage of discovery. His diary begins:

    In the same month in which their Majesties issued the edit that all Jews should be driven out of the kingdom and its territories, in the same month, they gave me the order to undertake with sufficient men my expedition of discovery of the Indies.

    Many people like to speculate that Columbus was of Jewish ancestry, and there is a good case for it. (For those interested, there are a lot of fascinating tidbits about Columbus collected in a book called Christopher Columbus’s Jewish Connection by Jane Francis Amler.) (2) Here are some examples:

    Although he was born in Genoa, Italy, his first language was Castilian Spanish. Many Jews had been forced to leave Castile about hundred years before his birth and some went to Genoa. (Incidentally, 14th century Castilian Spanish is the “Yiddish” of Spanish Jewry known as “Ladino.”)

    When he wrote, Columbus made funny little marks on the page that resembled the markings that religious Jews put on top of the written page even to this day – an abbreviation of besiyata d’ishmaya, which means “with God’s help” in Aramaic.

    He talked a great deal about Zion in his writings.

    In his crew, he had five known Jews, including his doctor, navigator, and translator.

    Columbus hired the translator, Louis de Torres, (who had converted to Christianity the day before he set sail) because he spoke twelve languages including Hebrew. And Columbus was sure he was not going to bump into Hebrew-speakers. He thought he was going to go to the Far East and he expected to find at least one of the ten lost tribes there and needed a Hebrew speaker.

    Furthermore, there’s no question that Columbus’s voyage to America was spiritually linked to the expulsion. Just as one of the greatest Jewish communities of Medieval Europe is being destroyed, God was opening up the doors of what is going to eventually become the greatest Diaspora refuge for Jews in history – America. This is another tremendous pattern we see in history: God making the cure before the disease.

    Incidentally, Columbus’s voyage was not financed by Isabella selling her jewels as is often stated. The major financiers were two court officials – both Jewishconverses – Louis de Santangel, chancellor of the royal household, and Gabriel Sanchez, treasurer of Aragon.

    The first letter Columbus sent back from the New World was not to Ferdinand and Isabella, but to Santangel and Sanchez thanking them for their support and telling them what he found.

    The voyage of Columbus is a landmark in the Age of Exploration when numerous discoverers opened up the New World. While no other is believed to be Jewish, their discoveries were, to a significant extent, made possible by Jewish inventions or Jewish improvements to existing inventions.

    For example, the key tools of navigators – the quadrant and the astral lobe used during this period- were of Jewish manufacture. In fact, the type of quadrant then in use was called “Jacob’s Staff”; it had been invented by Rabbi Levi ben Gershon also known as Gershonides.

    The famous atlas that Columbus and the other explorers used was known as the Catalon Atlas. It was the creation of the Cresca Family, Jews from Majorca, Spain. Not only was the Catalon Atlas considered the greatest and most significant collection of maps at the time, it had no competition to speak of. Jews had a virtual monopoly at map making then, culling information from Jewish merchants from all over the known world.

    A Blessing

    While Columbus was off discovering America, what was happening to the Jews newly thrown out of Spain?

    Most made their way across the border to Portugal, but their stay there was short-lived. Five years later, Portugal offered them the same choice as Spain: “convert, leave or die.” (Although rather than actually expel them – which would have caused him a massive loss of valuable Jews – the King of Portugal first abducted and forcibly baptized all Jewish children and then orchestrated a mass, forced conversion of virtually the entire Jewish population. He then forbade these “New Christians” from emigrating.)

    Thousands of Jews who fled Spain went to Turkey, which historically has been very nice to the Jews. Opening his doors to them, the Sultan of the Turkish Ottoman Empire, Bayezid II, declared: “They tell me that Ferdinand of Spain is a wise man but he is a fool. For he takes his treasure and sends it all to me.”

    How did the movement of the Jews affect these countries? Spain, which having discovered and colonized the new World should have been the wealthiest of countries, was bankrupt within one hundred years of the expulsion. Turkey, on the other hand, prospered. The Ottoman Empire became one of the greatest powers in the world. The next two sultans, Selim I and Suleiman I, expanded the empire as far as Vienna, Austria.

    (Incidentally, it was Suleiman – known as “Suleiman the Magnificent” – who, in 1536, re-built the walls of Jerusalem – the same walls that stand today and define the Old City.)

    If we recall the lesson of Part 4, God had given Abraham and his descendants a special blessing:

    “I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you, and through you, will be blessed all the families of the earth.”(Genesis 12:3)

    God said to Abraham that he and his descendants – the Jews – would be under God’s protection. The nations and peoples who would be good to the Jews will do well. Empires and peoples that would be bad to the Jews will do poorly. To quote Thomas Newton-The Bishop of Bristol (1704-1782):

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    The preservation of the Jews is really one of the most signal and illustrious acts of Divine Providence… and what but a supernatural power could have preserved them in such a manner as none other nation upon earth hath been preserved. Nor is the providence of God less remarkable in the destruction of their enemies, than in their preservation… We see that the great empires, which in their turn subdued and oppressed the people of God, are all come to ruin… And if such hath been the fatal end of the enemies and oppressors of the Jews, let it serve as a warning to all those, who at any time or upon any occasion are for raising a clamor and persecution against them.

    That is one of the great patterns of history that we have seen and that we will continue to see in future installments. You can literally chart the rise and fall of many of the countries and empires of the Middle East and the West by how they treated the Jews.

    One such country, surprisingly, was Poland.

    1) For a more detailed description of the Jewish ancestry of these personalities see: James Reston Jr., The Dogs of God – Columbus, the Inquisition, and the Defeat of the Moors,(Doubleday, 2005), p. 17, p. 30. Jane Frances Amler, Christopher Columbus’s Jewish Roots, (Aronson Inc., 1993), pp. 78-83.
    So many Jews lived in Spain for so long and so many were conversos that it is most probable that virtually everyone in Spain today (who can trace their ancestry back to Spain of 500 years ago or more) has some Jewish blood in their veins.
    2) See also: M. Hirsh Goldberg. The Jewish Connection. (Scarborough House, 1993), pp 110-113

    Muslims invaded Christian lands.
    It must be remembered that it was MUSLIMS who invaded Christian lands first.
    The foremost academic on the Spanish Inquisition Prof. Madden:
    http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/madden200406181026.asp

    From the perspective of secular authorities, heretics were traitors to God and king and therefore deserved death. From the perspective of the Catholic Church, however, heretics were lost sheep that had strayed from the flock. As shepherds, the pope and bishops had a duty to bring those sheep back into the fold, just as the Good Shepherd had commanded them. So, while medieval secular leaders were trying to safeguard their kingdoms, the Church was trying to save souls. The Inquisition provided a means for heretics to escape death and return to the community.

    Cure before the Disease…..

    If you look up the hebrew date of July 4, 1776 , when America declared its independence, you will see that it falls on the 17 of Tammuz

    These articles are usually concise, complete and to the point but this one is not. The principal financier of Columbus voyage of discovery was Don Abraham Senior(aka Seneor) a jew who later converted. Whilst a Jew, he also was very instrumental in unifying the kingdom, suiting Ferdinand and Isabella, collecting finances to oust the Moors and presiding over the Hermandad( National Guard) After the family’s conversion, a grandson Pedro Nunez Coronel became secretary to the then Grand Inquisitor(& possibly saved several marranos). A great grand daughter married the Spanish rebel leader par excellence Juan Bravo and bore him 2 sons before his capture and execution by the internal Spanish guard.. Kindly do not leave the name SENIOR out of Spanish Jewish history

    I continue to be amazed how history is “adjusted” to fit educational criteria (I continue to be amazed at what 12 years of education failed to teach me, or even mention, concerning the place(and displacement) of Jews in the last 2007 years. Then again, the Pilgrims didn’t score much higher, and they were around merely 400 years ago. I guess political correctness has been around a lot longer than we originally thought! I will be glad when we from all beliefs and generations can stand(kneel) before God, and then it will all be corrected by the One who has all the facts.

  • Jimmy Moore

    Christian-Jewish Relations:
    The Inquisition

    The Inquisition was a Roman Catholic tribunal for discovery and punishment of heresy, which was marked by the severity of questioning and punishment and lack of rights afforded to the accused.

    While many people associate the Inquisition with Spain and Portugal, it was actually instituted by Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) in Rome. A later pope, Pope Gregory IX established the Inquisition, in 1233, to combat the heresy of the Abilgenses, a religious sect in France. By 1255, the Inquisition was in full gear throughout Central and Western Europe; although it was never instituted inEngland or Scandinavia.

    Initially a tribunal would open at a location and an edict of grace would be published calling upon those who are conscious of heresy to confess; after a period of grace, the tribunal officers could make accusations. Those accused of heresy were sentenced at an auto de fe, Act of Faith. Clergyman would sit at the proceedings and would deliver the punishments. Punishments included confinement to dungeons, physical abuse and torture. Those who reconciled with the church were still punished and many had their property confiscated, as well as were banished from public life. Those who never confessed were burned at the stake without strangulation; those who did confess were strangled first. During the 16th and 17th centuries, attendance at auto de fe reached as high as the attendance at bullfights.

    In the beginning, the Inquisition dealt only with Christian heretics and did not interfere with the affairs of Jews. However, disputes about Maimonides’ books (which addressed the synthesis of Judaism and other cultures) provided a pretext for harassing Jews and, in 1242, the Inquisition condemned the Talmud and burned thousands of volumes. In 1288, the first mass burning of Jews on the stake took place in France.

    In 1481 the Inquisition started in Spain and ultimately surpassed the medieval Inquisition, in both scope and intensity. Conversos(Secret Jews) and New Christians were targeted because of their close relations to the Jewish community, many of whom were Jews in all but their name. Fear of Jewish influence led Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand to write a petition to the Pope asking permission to start an Inquisition in Spain. In 1483 Tomas de Torquemada became the inquisitor-general for most of Spain, he set tribunals in many cities. Also heading the Inquisition in Spain were two Dominican monks, Miguel de Morillo and Juan de San Martin.

    First, they arrested Conversos and notable figures in Seville; in Seville more than 700 Conversos were burned at the stake and 5,000 repented. Tribunals were also opened in Aragon, Catalonia and Valencia. An Inquisition Tribunal was set up in Ciudad Real, where 100 Conversos were condemned, and it was moved to Toledo in 1485. Between 1486-1492, 25 auto de fes were held in Toledo, 467 people were burned at the stake and others were imprisoned. The Inquisition finally made its way to Barcelona, where it was resisted at first because of the important place of Spanish Conversos in the economy and society.

    More than 13,000 Conversos were put on trial during the first 12 years of the Spanish Inquisition. Hoping to eliminate ties between the Jewish community and Conversos, the Jews of Spain were expelled in 1492..

    The next phase of the Inquisition began in Portugal in 1536: King Manuel I had initially asked Pope Leo X to begin an inquisition in 1515, but only after Leo’s death in 1521 did Pope Paul III agree to Manuel’s request. Thousands of Jews came to Portugal after the1492 expulsion. A Spanish style Inquisition was constituted and tribunals were set up in Lisbon and other cities. Among the Jews who died at the hands of the Inquisition were well-known figures of the period such as Isaac de Castro Tartas, Antonio Serrao de Castro and Antonio Jose da Silva. The Inquisition never stopped in Spain and continued until the late 18th century.

    By the second half of the 18th century, the Inquisition abated, due to the spread of enlightened ideas and lack of resources. The lastauto de fe in Portugal took place on October 27, 1765. Not until 1808, during the brief reign of Joseph Bonaparte, was the Inquisition abolished in Spain. An estimated 31,912 heretics were burned at the stake, 17,659 were burned in effigy and 291,450 made reconciliations in the Spanish Inquisition. In Portugal, about 40,000 cases were tried, although only 1,800 were burned, the rest made penance.

    The Inquisition was not limited to Europe; it also spread to Spanish and Portugese colonies in the New World and Asia. Many Jews and Conversos fled from Portugal and Spain to the New World seeking greater security and economic opportunities. Branches of the Portugese Inquisition were set up in Goa and Brazil. Spanish tribunals and auto de fes were set up in Mexico, the Philippine Islands, Guatemala, Peru, New Granada and the Canary Islands. By the late 18th century, most of these were dissolved.

  • Jimmy Moore

    A Historical Revision
    By HENRY KAMEN
    Yale University Press
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    A SOCIETY OF BELIEVERS AND UNBELIEVERS

    Asked if he believed in God, he said Yes, and asked what it meant to believe in God, he answered that it meant eating well, drinking well and getting up at ten o’clock in the morning.

    A textile worker of Reus (Catalonia), 1632

    In the west: Portugal, a small but expanding society of under a million people, their energies directed to the sea and the first fruits of trade and colonisation in Asia. In the south, al-Andalus: a society of half a million farmers and silk-producers, Muslim in religion, proud remnants of a once dominant culture. To the centre and north: a Christian Spain of some six million souls, divided politically into the crown of Castile (with two-thirds of the territory of the peninsula and three-quarters of the population) and the crown of Aragon (made up of the realms of Valencia, Aragon and Catalonia). In the fifteenth century the Iberian peninsula remained on the fringe of Europe, a subcontinent that had been overrun by the Romans and the Arabs, offering to the curious visitor an exotic symbiosis of images: Romanesque churches and the splendid Gothic cathedral in Burgos, mediaeval synagogues in Toledo, the cool silence of the great mosque in Cordoba and the majesty of the Alhambra in Granada.

    In mediaeval times it was a society of uneasy coexistence (convivencia), increasingly threatened by the advancing Christian reconquest of lands that had been Muslim since the Moorish invasions of the eighth century. For long periods, close contact between communities had led to a mutual tolerance among the three faiths of the peninsula: Christians, Muslims and Jews. Even when Christians went to war against the Moors, it was (a thirteenth-century writer argued) `neither because of the law [of Mohammed) nor because of the sect that they hold to’, but because of conflict over land. Christians lived under Muslim rule (as Mozarabes) and Muslims under Christian rule (as Mudejares). The different communities, occupying separate territories and therefore able to maintain distinct cultures, accepted the need to live together. Military alliances were made regardless of religion. St Ferdinand, king of Castile from 1230 to 1252, called himself `king of the three religions’, a singular claim in an increasingly intolerant age: it was the very period that saw the birth in Europe of the mediaeval papal Inquisition (c. 1232).

    There had always been serious conflicts in mediaeval Spain, at both social and personal levels, between Mudejar and Christian villages, between Christian and Jewish neighbours. But the existence of a multi-cultural framework produced an extraordinary degree of mutual respect. This degree of coexistence was a unique feature of peninsular society, repeated perhaps only in the Hungarian territories of the Ottoman empire. Communities lived side by side and shared many aspects of language, culture, food and dress, consciously borrowing each other’s outlook and ideas. Where cultural groups were a minority they accepted fully that there was a persistent dark side to the picture. Their capacity to endure centuries of sporadic repression and to survive into early modern times under conditions of gross inequality, was based on a long apprenticeship.

    The notion of a crusade was largely absent from the earlier periods of the Reconquest, and the communities of Spain survived in a relatively open society. At the height of the Reconquest it was possible for a Catalan philosopher, Ramon Llull (d. 1315), to compose a dialogue in Arabic in which the three characters were a Christian, a Muslim and a Jew. Political links between Christians and Muslims in the mediaeval epoch are exemplified by the most famous military hero of the time, the Cid (Arabic sayyid, lord). Celebrated in the Poem of the Cid written about 1140, his real name was Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar, a Castilian noble who in about 1081 transferred his services from the Christians to the Muslim ruler of Saragossa and, after several campaigns, ended his career as independent ruler of the Muslim city of Valencia, which he captured in 1094. Despite his identification with the Muslims, he came to be looked upon by Christians as their ideal warrior. In the later Reconquest, echoes of coexistence remained but the reality of conflict was more aggressive. The Christians cultivated the myth of the apostle St James (Santiago), whose body was alleged to have been discovered at Compostela; thereafter Santiago `Matamoros’ (the Moor-slayer) became a national patron saint. In al-Andalus, the invasion of militant Muslims from north Africa — the Almoravids in the late eleventh century; the Almohads in the late twelfth — embittered the struggle against Christians.

    The tide, however, was turning against Islam. In 1212 a combined Christian force met the Almohads at Las Navas de Tolosa and shattered their power in the peninsula, By the mid-thirteenth century the Muslims retained only the kingdom of Granada. After its capture by the Christians (1085), Toledo immediately became the intellectual capital of Castile because of the transmission of Muslim and Jewish learning. The School of Translators of Toledo in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries rendered into Latin the great semitic treatises on philosophy, medicine, mathematics and alchemy. The works of Avicenna (Ibn Sina), al-Ghazali, Averroes (Ibn Rushd) and Maimonides filtered through to Christian scholars. Mudejar art spread into Castile. No attempt was made to convert minorities forcibly. But by the fourteenth century `it was no longer possible for Christians, Moors and Jews to live under the same roof, because the Christian now felt himself strong enough to break down the traditional custom of Spain whereby the Christian population made war and tilled the soil, the Moor built the houses, and the Jew presided over the enterprise as a fiscal agent and skilful technician’. This schematic picture is not far from the truth. Mudejares tended to be peasants or menial urban labourers; Jews for the most part kept to the big towns and to small trades; the Christian majority, while tolerating their religions, treated both minorities with disdain.

    Mudejares were possibly the least affected by religious tension. They were numerically insignificant in Castile, and in the crown of Aragon lived separately in their own communities, so that friction was minimal. Jews, however, lived mostly in urban centres and were more vulnerable to outbreaks of violence. Civil war in both Castile and Aragon in the 1460s divided the country into numberless local areas of conflict and threatened to provoke anarchy. The accession of Ferdinand and Isabella to the throne in 1474 did not immediately bring peace, but gradually the powerful warlike nobles and prelates fell into line. Their belligerent spirit was redirected into wars of conquest in Granada and Naples. Of the two realms of Spain, Aragon had been the one with an imperial history, but Castile with its superior resources in men and money rapidly took over the leadership. The militant Reconquest spirit was reborn, after nearly two centuries of dormancy. It still retained much of its old chivalric spirit: in the Granada wars, the deeds of Rodrigo Ponce de Leon, Marquis of Cadiz, seemed to recall those of the Cid. But the age of chivalry was passing. The wars in Italy provoked bitter criticism of the barbarities of the Spanish soldiery, and in Granada the brutal enslavement of the entire population of Malaga after its capture in 1487 gave hint of a new savagery among the Christians.

    Apparent continuity with the old Reconquest is therefore deceptive. Military idealism continued to be fed by chivalric novels, notably the Amadis de Gaula (1508), but beneath the superficial gloss of chivalry there burnt an ideological intolerance typified by the great conquests of Cardinal Cisneros in Africa (Mers-el-Kebir, 1505 and Oran, 1509), and Hernan Cortes in Tenochtitlan (1521). It is also significant that the new rulers of Spain were willing to pursue an intolerant policy regardless of its economic consequences. In regard to both the Jews and the Mudejares, Isabella was warned that pressure would produce economic disruption, but she was steeled in her resolve by Cisneros and the rigorists. Ferdinand, responding to protests by Barcelona, maintained that spiritual ideals were more important than material considerations about the economy. Though affirmation of religious motives cannot be accepted at face value, it appears that a `crusading’ spirit had replaced the possibility of convivencia, and exclusivism was beginning to triumph.

    The communities of Christians, Jews and Muslims never lived together on equal terms; so-called convivencia was always a relationship between unequals. Within that inequality, the minorities played their roles while attempting to avoid conflicts. In fifteenth-century Murcia, the Muslims were an indispensable fund of labour in both town and country, and as such were protected by municipal laws. The Jews, for their part, made an essential contribution as artisans and small producers, in leather, jewellery and textiles. They were also important in tax administration and in medicine. In theory, both minorities were restricted to specified areas of the towns they lived in. In practice, the laws on separation were seldom enforced. In Valladolid at the same period, the Muslims increased in number and importance, chose their residence freely, owned houses, lands and vineyards. Though unequal in rights, the Valladolid Muslims were not marginalized. The tolerability of coexistence paved the way to mass conversion in 1502.

    In community celebrations, all three faiths participated. In Murcia, Muslim musicians and jugglers were an integral part of Christian religious celebrations. In times of crisis the faiths necessarily collaborated. In 1470 in the town of Ucles, `a year of great drought, there were many processions of Christians as well as of Muslims and Jews, to pray for water …’ In such a community, there were some who saw no harm in participating with other faiths. `Hernan Sanchez Castro’, who was denounced for it twenty years later in Ucles, `set out from the church together with other Christians in the procession, and when they reached the square where the Jews were with the Torah he joined the procession of the Jews with their Torah and left the processions of the Christians’. Co-acceptance of the communities extended to acts of charity. Diego Gonzalez remembered that in Huete in the 1470s, when he was a poor orphan, as a Christian he received alms from `both Jews and Muslims, for we used to beg for alms from all of them, and received help from them as we did from the Christians’. The kindness he received from Jews, indeed, encouraged him to pick up a smattering of Hebrew from them. It also led him to assert that `the Jew can find salvation in his own faith just as the Christian can in his’ . There was, of course, always another side to the coexistence. It was in Ucles in 1491 that a number of Jewish citizens voluntarily gave testimony against Christians of Jewish origin. And Diego Gonzalez, twenty years later when he had become a priest, was arrested for his pro-Jewish tendencies and burnt as a heretic.

    We can be certain of one thing. Spain was not, as often imagined, a society dominated exclusively by zealots. In the Mediterranean the confrontation of cultures was more constant than in northern Europe, but the certainty of faith was no stronger. Jews had the advantage of community solidarity, but under pressure from other cultures they also suffered the disadvantage of internal dissent over belief. The three faiths had coexisted long enough for many people to accept the validity of all three. `Who knows which is the better religion’, a Christian of Castile asked in 1501, `ours or those of the Muslims and the Jews?’

    Though there were confusions of belief in the peninsula, there seems in late mediaeval times to have been no formal heresy, not even among Christians. But this did not imply that Spain was a society of convinced believers. In the mid-sixteenth century a friar lamented the ignorance and unbelief he had found throughout Castile, `not only in small hamlets and villages but even in cities and populous towns’. `Out of three hundred residents’, he affirmed, `you will find barely thirty who know what any ordinary Christian is obliged to know’. Religious practice among Christians was a free mixture of community traditions, superstitious folklore and imprecise dogmatic beliefs. Some writers went so far as to categorize popular religious practices as diabolic magic. It was a situation that Church leaders did very little to remedy. Everyday religion among Christians continued to embrace an immense range of cultural and devotional options. There are many parallels to the cases of the Catalan peasant who asserted in 1539 that `there is no heaven, purgatory or hell; at the end we all have to end up in the same place, the bad will go to the same place as the good and the good will go to the same place as the bad’; or of the other who stated in 1593 that `he does not believe in heaven or hell, and God feeds the Muslims and heretics just the same as he feeds the Christians’. When Christian warriors battled against Muslims, they shouted their convictions passionately. At home, or in the inn, or working in the fields, their opinions were often different. The bulk of surviving documentation gives us some key to this dual outlook, only, however, among Christians. In Soria in 1487, at a time when the final conquest of Granada was well under way, a resident commented that `the king is off to drive the Muslims out, when they haven’t done him any harm’. The Muslim can be saved in his faith just as the Christian can in his’, another is reported to have said. The inquisitors in 1490 in Cuenca were informed of a Christian who claimed chat `the good Jew and the good Muslim can, if they act correctly, go to heaven just like the good Christian’. There is little or nothing to tell us how Jews and Muslims thought, but every probability that they also accepted the need to make compromises with the other faiths of the peninsula.

    Christians who wished to turn their backs on their own society often did so quite simply by embracing Islam. From the later Middle Ages to the eighteenth century, there were random cases of Spanish Christians who changed their faith in this way. The Moorish kingdom of Granada had a small community of renegade Christians. In Christian Spain it was not uncommon to find many of pro-Muslim sentiment. In 1486 the Inquisition of Saragossa tried a Christian `for saying that he was a Muslim, and for praying in the mosque like a Muslim’. Long after the epoch of convivencia had passed, many Spaniards retained at the back of their minds a feeling that their differences were not divisive. In the Granada countryside in the 1620s, a Christian woman of Muslim origin felt that `the Muslim can be saved in his faith as the Jew can in his’, a peasant felt that `everyone can find salvation in his own faith’, and another affirmed that `Jews who observe their law can be saved’. The attitude was frequent enough to be commonplace, and could be found in every corner of Spain.

    The remarkable absence of formal `heresy’ in late mediaeval Spain may in part have been a consequence of its multiple cultures. The three faiths, even while respecting each other, attempted to maintain in some measure the purity of their own ideology. In times of crisis, as with the rabbis in 1492 or the Muslim alfaquis in 1609, they clung desperately to the uniqueness of their own truth. Christianity, for its part, remained so untarnished by formal heresy that the papal Inquisition, active in France, Germany and Italy, was never deemed necessary in mediaeval Castile and made only a token appearance in Aragon. In the penumbra of the three great faiths there were, it is true, a number of those who, whether through the indifferentism born of tolerance or the cynicism born of persecution, had no active belief in organized religion. But the virtual absence of organized heresy meant that though defections to other faiths were severely punished in Christian law, no systematic machinery was brought into existence to deal with non-believers or with those forced converts who had shaky belief. For decades, society continued to tolerate them, and the policy of burning practised elsewhere in Europe was little known in Spain.

    All this was changed by the successful new Reconquest of Ferdinand and Isabella. It appears that the rulers, seeking to stabilize their power in both Castile and Aragon, where civil wars had created disorder in the 1470s, accepted an alliance with social forces that prepared the way for the elimination of a plural, open society. The crown accepted this policy because it seemed to ensure stability, but the new developments failed to bring about social unity, and the machinery of the Inquisition served only to intensify and deepen the shadow of conflict over Spain.

  • Jimmy Moore

    Christianity is not a religion mind you it started after Christ died and it is how a person believes and feels toward another person it amazes me how religion goes so far as to say Mormon Christian, Catholic Christian, Baptist Christian, and so on but it isn’t that at all because Christianity is not a religion, It is non denominational and has no religion behind it, sure they read the same Bible and to some extent they say the same thing but if you read their Bibles and their books they are some what different and in some ways way different so no they are not Christian they are religion only the non denominational have the same Bible and believe the same thing only religion has different Beliefs remember that religion is not Christian OK do not get that mixed up also Christianity started from Judaism AFTER Christ died and they worshiped in the same synagogues and the jewish persecuted the Christians and said they were defiling their place of worship and made them move out of their cities and then began to kill them for not believing in the same ways this also is in the Koran I have read that myself, below is a brief summary how Catholic Religion Started the Inquisition

  • Jimmy Moore

    Do you know what happened to the last time a Black man Had a Dream ?
    it’s just like the Joke DO YOU KNOW WHY BLACK PEOPLE DON”T DREAM ?
    because the last one that did got shot!!!!!

  • Jimmy Moore

    By the way I am Cooking A HAM in Allah name he has Blessed it for you to eat it so come on over and I will cut a s;ice off your you to eat OK

  • Jimmy Moore

    OH by the way if it weren’t for us Christians you wouldn’t have a country to live in your own people want to kill you that is why you are here DUMB ASS fleeing persecution

  • Gene Roberts

    Jimmy…It seems that you are having a hard time following my point. All of the indiscretions, the murders, the inhumanity … was ALL in the name of God. A God who does not exist. I know the history of The Crusades, all of them. And of the Inquisitions, all of them. You contend that it takes more faith to not believe in a God that no one has seen and Whose most ardent followers slaughtered millions in his name. A God whose “children” are feeble-minded and ignore science and history as if they do not exist … in favor of fables of mystical, magical beings. Those same children are taken advantage of each and every day by wolves wrapped in the trappings of priests, monks, Rabbis, reverends, bishops, Senators and Congressmen and anyone else who can benefit from their fear and superstitions. And again, my contention is that it is very easy and takes no faith NOT to believe in God … in any of his forms or personas.

  • Gene Roberts

    The statement that “Christianity is not a religion” is absolutely absurd. You may side-step the obvious with semantics or philosophical walls intended to justify the slaughters of millions in Christ’s name … however, it is abundantly clear that Christianity is very much as it is formally defined, “a monotheistic religion”. Anything else you choose to add to that to give the appearance of legitimacy is moot. Until God comes down to us in some recognizable form and directly tells us what it is he wants … he simply does not exist. The claim that he is omnipotent and can do anything is comical when he still must rely on the faith for power that he cannot display; does not possess. I know what the Bible says about challenging/ tempting God … but many things written in the Bible are all just too convenient.

  • Jimmy Moore

    Look apparently you are not understanding me, If there was no God then this world does not exist, and I do not exist, and hell does not exist, and Satan does not exist, and there isn’t anyone or should I say a supreme being such as God to create this universe or all in it if you think life created from a single cell good luck on that one as well because the fact is it takes 2 to create life not one that is why it takes one man one woman to create a single child, Now if you do not believe that it takes more faith to believe that where as i BELIEVE God does exist it takes very little faith and his Children are not feeble minded as you say they have faith that his does exist and all in it was created in him, So if he does not exist and you have that much faith to believe in that than there is not any reason to debate this any further because I do not exist and neither does anyone else in your feeble mind yes your mind is feeble very feeble, and yes people do take advantage of some Christians but not this one nor do they try to exploit me in any way and the recent presidents here lately are not Christians so don’t go there with me and I have to believe Keet Hensley I too have become such a Believer when Science proved the Bible to be real and GOD did so many IMPOSSIBLE things in my life. I think Gene is from the Show Me State or just has not reached his Spiritual maturity yet, GOD gives us free will to get us to that maturity point and if we never do then we must be God? so Atheist as I have read and seen what you have said in this post believe that you are an antagonist an if you want to believe there is no God than do so, I will believe there is and no amount of what you or other Atheist say you can not convince me otherwise and we have no there reason to continue our debate GOOD LUCK ON YOUR BELIEFS and may God have mercy on your Sole

  • Gene Roberts

    More absurdity. The world, the universe does exist because it has always existed. The Earth and WE humans, have not always existed and it does not take any great measure of intelligence to know that we will at some point become extinct. I am sorry that you need a supernatural Being to validate your existence even though that Being’s supernatural ability won’t allow Him or Her to actually talk to you. Instead, It demands our Faith in Its abilities, sight unseen. Good Luck with that.

  • William O’Connor

    Oh there was a reason… you’re just not going to like it. Bush was ordered to invade Afghanistan in order to control the opium fields… and earlier theories suggest his invasion of Iraq was in order to control the oil, but I suspect it was more to eliminate Saddam Hussein after he thumbed his nose at them (yes… the elite ARE that petty, after all… they aren’t the ones dying now are they?).