[WATCH] Open Carry Girls Harassed in Walmart by Police for Open Carry, Show Me Your Papers!

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Four young ladies stopped for a quick bite to eat in Marshfield Missouri at a local Walmart. Two of them were open carrying not knowing they would be confronted by a Nazi-styled “show-me-your-papers” local police officer. Evidently, Marshfield is a Constitution-Free Zone in the eyes of local merchants.

They are traveling through Missouri from Oklahoma and stopped at the local Walmart, where someone noticed they were carrying and, as is the indoctrinated response in America, notified the authorities that they were scared.

The local police respond with typical Barney Fife effectiveness, and a chorus of show me your ID. Apparently, in Missouri, if you don’t know how to handle a situation, cops are taught to default to ID showing. This guy apparently doesn’t get out much, as he isn’t satisfied with a passport, which is supposedly the best form of ID and is accepted internationally. Other countries, yes, but Marshfield MO needs some “real ID”

This is just more evidence that the police state is alive and well and growing in America.

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  • mhgoats1

    I do not think he would like me showing not just my passport card, or my passport, or my Retired Military ID along with being nice and asking if he has actually read the US Constitution which he supposedly took an oath to uphold also.

  • Jeff Kline

    I think this also qualifies as “Illegal detention” does it not??

  • KS85

    First mistake: No sign anywhere that they did not want guns brought it. Second, we do not know who called?? Did not see a manager hanging with the police.. so could have been a person walking out. How is the person suppose to know if they have a license or not. By the color of skin? then thats profiling, Third mistake was the Police officer.. He had no clue on what to do. He could have just taken the IDS, Told them the law there like he did when asked about the 2nd. Girls kept their cool!! >Nice job!!!. Since States have their own laws, Need to read up if you plan on crossing the borders…SAD, but until people get use to the good guys having guns and bad ones afraid to carry one, This will happen a lot more.. Just accept, do not forget your papers and keep you cool, things will eventually calm down (I hope).

  • Mag44

    Girls made a mistake by handing over an ID without question. Know your rights, if you do not, people or cops like these will exploit you even if they know or do not know the laws themselves. This cop was a complete douchebag, by the way. I need to run for Sheriff or become a cop and work my way up to Police Chief to keep them in check…lol

  • Jeff Kline

    I don’t believe you understand. If you are a legal carry permit holder, you are required to show your ID and permit. It’s the law. There is nothing wrong with this. However should the officer demand to confiscate the weapon even for the duration of the interrogation, he would be guilty of a civil rights violation because no crime, no probable cause, etc. You should consider taking a conceal carry class as you learn a lot about what they can and cannot do. :)

  • Maria S Biddle

    just a minor point the the cop needs glasses.

  • Daniel Dykes

    It wasn’t a concealed carry. It was an open carry and therefore requires no permit.

    Bill of Rights, Section 23

    That the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or when lawfully summoned in aid of the civil power, shall not be questioned; but this shall not justify the wearing of concealed weapons.

  • Audieleon

    Get real police ask for ID better give it to them ,or off to jail for failure to identfie,been thru this cost me over $2000 dollars!!! WE ARE A POLICE STATE!!!!

  • Daniel Dykes

    Here’s another MO law: You may open and conceal carry in a vehicle at age 21 without any permit, or at 18 “while traveling”.

  • scott

    yeah,remember the only people that do need to show ID are illegal aliens.You need ID for everything in this country,buy beer,smokes,guns and drive but ask someone to show papers to vote,that is a violation of their civil rights

  • scott

    DUH,I am a cop and I am ass dumb as a box of rocks.If it was not for a gov’t job I would have to collect welfare because I am too stupid to even collect garbage.I swear,cops are stupid and power hungry fools.The people need to rise up and shoot these assholes and remind them who is their boss

  • scott

    he explains the business has the right to ask them to leave,they were never asked to leave,why is he harping on that issue

  • Mark Brenneman

    I hope this idiot is no longer an officer. #1 Open carry is legal there. #2 A passport is the ultimate form of ID worldwide. #3 He did not notice the open carry man walk up behind him, then walk in the doors. #4

  • Richard Maloney

    the one girl may have been pinched for concealed as her shirt was covering up her weapon but the cop didnt notice that or he chose to ignore it, all the id they had to show was their permits to own a fire arm not drivers lic. only time your suppose to show drivers licence if your operating your motor vehicle.

  • George McDuffy

    Yes they were being detained, and the officer violated the law by not answering their question as to what the problem was. He was called with a complaint, he had not acted on his own he was responding to a call. He should have told them that when they asked. He also really should not have approached them till he had found out what the problem was from the caller as they were doing nothing threatening or acting suspicious. Why did they even respond to the call, the 911 operator should have asked for more details from the caller. Problem is most Americans do not know the law as it pertains to open carry, I have educated a number of them where I work.

  • Pat Bailey

    What should Happen is the dumb citizen that made the call to police should be charged with making a false report. Clearly the police need to respond when someone calls from a merchants store saying people have weapons and they are afraid. But what should happen is in the details. The 911 dispatcher should get enough information such as are they displaying aggressive behavior or pointing their firearms at anyone? Are they just wearing them on their side? If the answer is no,no and no they should be told to leave if they feel uncomfortable around the people. I wear my firearm when I shop at walmart all the time. People are really polite and always say hi when I pass by them in the isle’s with my 2 little girls and my ruger. The cops need to keep a level head as well. Just wanted to put this in.

  • Deb N

    Why the hell they bring guns into Walmart anyway? Stupid. Thedre have been enough shootings that people ARE scared of someone who enters Walmart with a gun as a part of their wardrobe? What was the purpose to carry them in? Gonna shoot anymore who has more than 12 items in the express lanes? If you’re going to carry a gun, use some common sense.

  • Coop

    Daniel, You are correct that open carry requires no permit. However OPEN CARRY is laws in Missouri are controlled by local municipality. Each County, City and township govern their own laws as to open carry with the exception of Legal open carry inside a motor vehicle statewide. These girls should have checked the LOCAL laws of the town or county prior to entering the Wal-Mart.

  • Nate

    hahahahahahah!!!!!

  • R.a.Hensel

    when traveling in the south, every time we see the “no gun ” stores we call them the “please rob me” signs. One stop and rob we went to in MO had been help up 15 times in 2012. seems to me they needed to take down the sign. irony is they sold ammunition.

  • Scott Henderson

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  • Scott Henderson

    As a former Police Officer as well
    as an avid supporter of the 2nd Amendment, I fully support these
    peoples legal right to open carry. As for the 911 dispatcher not doing their
    job, they did do their job. Over the telephone, it is impossible for the
    dispatcher to discern if this is a simple right to carry issue or something
    else. A dispatcher should always send an officer when in doubt. As for the
    police officer, yes he could have handled it a little different. However, he
    too was doing his job; he seemed polite, asking for ID, asking everyone to move
    to a different location. Should he have explained the law to the caller? Yes,
    he should have. After he spoke to the armed people and determined they were
    law-abiding people. He too has a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of
    happiness and his safety is as important as everyone else’s. As the people
    in the video seemed to understand, he had a right to find out what was going
    on, that is his job. It is not his fault the public don’t know what these folks
    were doing is completely legal.

    Scott, you are an idiot. Your comment that people should rise up and shoot people to show them who is boss is idiotic if not a crime. This man was doing what he is paid to do, he may have been able to do it differently, but he responded to a call for service and in
    so doing, was performing his duty as a police officer. As you may notice,
    unlike you, I am not concealing my ID. I proudly open and concealed carry and
    even have a personalized Don’t Tread on Me, license plate promoting the 2nd Amendment,
    however when you “profile” all police officers as being “dumb as a box of rocks”
    and power hungry, you are simply showing your own lack of intelligence.

    I commend the people who filmed this in showing there is a problem and in doing it in a polite, non-threatening manner. Nevertheless, verbally assaulting the officer’s intelligence and threatening to shoot people like him, does not help the cause one bit,

    Scott Henderson
    Lynchburg, VA

  • hyperspd7

    You obviously cannot comprehend the situation in this country Deb. There is no reasoning (or explaining) this to someone with your attitude. On one hand you say “shootings in Walmart” but on the other hand, have a problem with a legally armed citizen in Walmart. As if the shootings you are referring to were committed by a legally armed citizen? Meh… never mind.

  • Coop

    One more thing. The Officer in question did his JOB and did it in a professional manner. Law enforcement has a duty to uphold the constitution they also have the duty to identify any possible threat the may be present. IF one of these people had been a convicted felon the situation could have been different. I own a Conceal Carry Permit and carry every day. I also, at times, open carry. My personal opinion is that the officer did his job and did it well. There was no violation of ANY Constitutional rights that I saw or heard. The firearms were not confiscated and no guns were drawn. If you carry a firearm in public expect to be asked for identification. If you should decide in your infinite wisdom to refuse to show identification when asked you WILL be detained for failure to comply. I don’t have to agree with it but will comply to save the time and large amount of money that an attorney will charge to defend me in court. If you have nothing to hide cooperate, if you do have something to hide, that is your problem.

  • hyperspd7

    He was far from polite. The entire time he was on the edge of loosing his cool. It was apparent he’s just another adrenaline junkie officer looking for a reason to harass a legal citizen. This nation is so entirely screwed up and officers like this guy are doing nothing more than propagating the problems.

  • Coop

    No it does not qualify as illegal detention. No one was detained, only questioned and asked to identify themselves.

  • hyperspd7

    Let me add that, I understand the officers see the worst of society and are completely jaded because of this. However, loosing site of the law as it’s written because of this is completely unacceptable. There is NO WONDER people are tired of the police, their lies, their straying from the law and obvious discontent for the average law abiding AMERICAN citizen.

  • Daniel Dykes

    What I posted earlier was a copy and paste from Missouri state open carry law website. The laws in Marshfield are no different and there was no law being broken so the police officer did have the right to ask for I.D’s, just like the girls had a right to deny him being that there was no law broken and no signs posted stating that weapons were not allowed inside the establishment. I simply stated a fact earlier and never claimed to have infinite wisdom at any time. Before you start posting stupid shit, you yourself should do some research.Try starting with the oldest surviving one constitutional text in America, sir. You can try reading it while you are on side of the road with your radar propped up on your mirror, acting like you’re busy while you watch porn on your IPhone…. Yes, I’m insinuating that you are a police officer and probably one on the ones in the video. Good day, sir.

  • Scott Henderson

    He was doing his job. Why do you feel the need to resort to calling him an “adrenaline junkie”. He responded to a call for service.

  • John Rolls

    Then why no id to vote????????

  • W Richard Lobell

    NONSENSE his job is to protect law abiding. not threaten them

  • Coop

    Daniel I was not was not attempting to provoke a war of words with you in any way. The reference of “in your infinite wisdom” statement was a generalized use for those individuals who DO NOT understand that the officer was just doing his job. Accusing me of posting stupid shit is your only mistake as far as I can see.
    1. No I am not in Law enforcement.
    2. I am very well schooled in the Constitution and Bill of rights.
    3.I am however a certified firearms instructor and a retired Military Veteran who has instructed thousands of military and civilian men and women in the use of firearms.
    Oh and by the way business establishments are not required to post a sign on the door. It can be posted anywhere on the property. Our three local shopping centers have them posted at the entry drive.
    I just wish management or the door greater had used some common since and just asked them to leave their weapons outside rather than having had someone call in the police.
    Good day to you sir.

  • John Rolls

    I thought the officer was impolite and aggressive.

  • laurenzmom

    So what was the dude at the end of the video asking why the girl had a shirt on with Christ written on it “starting trouble?” Where the heck did that even come from? Seems to me he was the jerk. I most definitely believe in the right to bear arms because once that right is taken away, we are DOOMED.

  • Coop

    Well said Mr. Henderson.

  • Leti Luna

    This video is a sad testament to society in general. First a police officer who was clearly confused and frustrated, but most importantly, the “customers” with the gun walking into Walmart and camera phone ready. Clearly they have nothing better to do than drive around scaring people.

    We live in a country were we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t. Who lately has turned the TV only to be interrupted by “Breaking News” of a shoot at ABC, in anywhere USA, many dead…. Hell yest I would have called the police as well.

    The truth is had someone not paid attention and alerted the police this same group of traveling friends and family would have kept driving until someone did call, wasting the time of already strained police department resources and terrifying citizens.

  • Michael Beckett

    At 2 of my Local Walmart’s a man tried to steal a womans purse she resisted and ended up being dragged around the parking lot hanging from a car. At the other Walmart a man was robbed the suspect started running away with the mans belongings the man shot the perp in the back of the head. The man got his stuff back and no further harm was done to other people. The man that shot the guy robbing people almost went to prison for shooting the guy, but he was found not guilty because he was protecting his belongings and above else other people from further harm. That is why it isnt a bad idea to bring a gun to walmart.

  • bumpysquish

    what part of shall not be infringed do the law not understand ?

  • OpenCarryMike

    I open carry in Walmart all the damn time. In fact, I open carry almost everywhere, if I’m going for a quick store run or to get some fast food. Not ONCE have I had the cops called on me and no one has EVER told me they were “afraid” of me because I was carrying. The people who do call the cops on legal open carry citizens are uninformed and brainwashed by the MSM into thinking that anyone who carries a gun (and isn’t a cop) is a dangerous psychopath who is one step away from a mass murder spree.

  • QG

    well from my first observation, one of the females is wearing a shirt with Jesus Christ on it and one of the guys also has a shirt about free will . (this current administration wants to remove Jesus from our Country and Christians are being bullied all over the world right now ) So the shirt’s along with the females carrying a side arm puts a target on their backs. Second: the Nosy man wearing a polo and Khaki pants in the parking lot points her shirt out and says shes wanting to “stir it up” because it says Jesus on it. What an Idiot! Like he’s trying to get Her arrested.
    The people in this video don’t look like a threat to me, they are minding their own business shopping and getting some food to go. I don’t know all the laws on what is legal or not when it comes to carrying. so i cant comment. But they all had their papers and ID’s, no one ran off either and were
    compliant.
    None of the people in this group were thugs. Who ever phoned the police should of communicated better with the 911 operator. the cop has to do his job as the police were called, but he could of said straight out, lemme run your names , im looking for probate violations and any warrants. then gave a quick summary about walmart not wanting ppl in the store carrying and let them be on their way, and avoided the whole questioning about 2nd amendment rights. imo.

  • Matt C.

    What exactly did they young lady do anyways? Walk into Subway and pull her gun out, “give me a 6″ turkey sub now mother fucker!”

    Obviously Deb, you are one of the anti-gun Obama idiots. It is the young lady’s right to carry a firearm for her own safety if she is legal to do so. So she went in with in holstered, big deal! I feel safer around my friends that have carry permits. I personally do not feel the need to carry a firearm, but I am ok with those who do because I know they are TRAINED on how to use them.

    Basically, it is the thugs you need to worry about, not the law abiding citizens. Gun laws dont work because criminals dont obey laws. When will you anti-gun morons realize this???

  • Wide Awake

    They almost always are. It seems to be in their robot training.

  • Shawn Birkholz

    Richard … the only permit required is if you are carrying a concealed weapon and the video doesn’t establish whether or not the young girl actually had a permit to carry concealed. This was an issue about open carrying of a handgun. In the United States you are not required to carry a piece of paper that says you are authorized to own a handgun … you only need to wait for the background check to complete and then you can have your handgun … no registration of weapons required in the United States. All they were required to do was give the officer an ID he could use to run their names through the system for any outstanding warrants or other violations.

    Bottom Line the officer should have informed them that he needed an ID to verify their identities in the system and then let them go. He should have also let them know whether or not that specific Walmart allowed open carry on the premises regardless of whether or not a sign was posted.

  • scott

    because democrats would not be able to vote more than once

  • Shawn Birkholz

    Deb … learn the laws. In the United States you are allowed to open carry or concealed carry (with a permit) unless specifically not allowed for your protection. In NC for instance we are not allowed to have any gun on public school grounds (NC recently passed a law that changes the specifics but I don’t know if it has fully been signed and implemented). If a law abiding citizen is carrying a weapon “legally” as another citizen feels threatened it would be simple enough for the citizen to approach the person with the handgun and inform them they are threatened. I would venture that any law abiding citizen would kindly leave the premises and store their weapon or wait until later to do their shopping. At the same time the “threatened” citizen could also just finish their shopping and leave. Those of us that are law abiding will not purposely cause a scene even if we are well within our rights.

    As the saying goes “If you don’t like what is on TV or the radio you can change the channel” … same thing here … if you don’t like a citizen carrying a handgun then leave.

  • scott

    it is stated in the constitution that the American people should keep and bear arms to deter tyrannical gov’t.Nothing i have said is a crime,it is my right,covered under the first amendment,but here are the terms to the 2nd ammendment.Yes,in case you forgot,cops are part of the gov’t

    enabling the people to organize a militia system.
    participating in law enforcement;
    deterring tyrannical government;
    repelling invasion;
    suppressing insurrection, allegedly including slave revolts;
    facilitating a natural right of self-defense;

  • jordan

    here is the thing. im a gun owner and lover, but i live in illinois so i alway have to have my foid card on me. thats ok because i don’t want fellons carrying. i think if the police want to see that your ok to own a gun thats fine. i dont want them to harass people but just asking for id is no big deal. we want people to have to show id to vote so i think we can give a little and show that we are legal to carry firearms.

  • Dave Morris

    O’er the laaaaand of the Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  • V

    Well in any case if you would carry anything similar to that atleast dont put it where anyone can question you. Put it in your bag atleast . With it’s papers, and apparently that cop got pissed off with that camera in his face, yet when asked what was the purpose of it, was a simple stutter.

  • Gman

    Coop … if you are, in fact, a firearms instructor, then I am concerned, as you show a complete and utter lack of articulation (knowledge?) of the law. Firstly, the officer authoritatively REQUESTED their IDs, a influence technique that is covered in Police Academy (I know this from personal experience). Terry v. Ohio (1968) CLEARLY states that unless the officer has reasonable suspicion that a LAW HAS BEEN BROKEN (in this case, he did NOT), then you are NOT required to comply with any request to provide ID, REGARDLESS of the state that you are in, unless you are driving a vehicle. These kids did not have to show their identification, nor even state their name. If I were these kids, I would have asked if we were being detained or if we were free to go, and THAT would have indicated the officer’s intent. You posit, “if you have nothing to hide, cooperate.” … WRONG. You claim to be a Constitution-lover, yet, you spew this crap? The view SHOULD be, if there is no suspicion of a crime, then don’t be surprised if a citizen declines to identify him/herself. Your profoundly appreciated military service to this country notwithstanding, Coop, you may want to brush up on some rudimentary law, sir. Even fledgling paralegals know all about Terry v. Ohio, and I’m concerned that as a firearms instructor, you are teaching your clients the wrong thing.

  • Todd Lau

    Damn right. You are completely correct. I could not of said it better.
    I agree with you. Bravo!

  • Todd Lau

    No! It does not!

  • Gman

    … of which they did not have to identify themselves, by law.

  • Gman

    The kids could have asked if they were being detained or if they were free to go. They did not ask, so therefore, it was not a detention, illegal nor otherwise.

  • Gman

    Half true. Terry v. Ohio (’68), SCOTUS concluded that you do NOT, in fact, have to comply with a request for identification, unless 1) you are reasonably suspected of a crime or 2) you are operating a motor vehicle.

  • Shad Harvey

    I agree. It isn’t that complex:
    911 Operator: What are they doing with the weapons?
    Idiot: They are…BUYING LUNCH!
    911: Um…they’re allowed to do that.
    Idiot: BUT I FEEL UPSET!
    911: We’ll send the padded wagon to take you away..please do not leave.

  • Shad Harvey

    I sort of agree…his demeanor from the start was crass and unprofessional.

  • Todd Lau

    Sir,
    Thank you for your service or former service to your community and to our country.
    You statements I can completely agree with.
    These police officers are just doing their job that they get paid to do,
    and I commend them on that.
    As for that officer maybe handling that a bit differently, that is more a matter of
    his character, perhaps another officer would of handled it better, perhaps not.
    That officer could be instructed so he learns how to properly handle if in the future.
    I carry concealed and open all the time, and when I get stopped, since I have nothing to hide,
    I show my id and permit when asked, that is why they are issued anyway.
    And when I do, they run them, I come back clean, and they let me go on my way,
    no fuss, no muss.. No escalation… Alls well that ends well.
    God bless all cops, and since I always respect them, and thank them for their service,
    I even shake their hands, they treat me with respect, and sometimes I made a new
    friend of them.
    I personally would prefer to be on the good side of the local police, then their bad side.
    Good day Sir, thank you..
    Todd.

  • Todd Lau

    I open carry all the time too, however, I do get stopped. And when I do, I show
    my id and permit, and since I have nothing to hide, they come back clean,
    and they let me go on my way. No fuss, no muss.. boom done!

  • Gman

    @Coop … if you are, in fact, a firearms instructor, then I am concerned, as you show a complete and utter lack of articulation (knowledge?) of the law. Firstly, the officer authoritatively REQUESTED
    (not demanded) their IDs, an influence technique that is covered in Police Academy (I know this from personal experience), in an effort to simultaneously satisfy State/Local Statute/Ordinance, yet, obtain information. Secondly, in Terry v. Ohio (1968) SCOTUS determined that unless the officer has reasonable suspicion that a LAW HAS BEEN BROKEN (in this case, he did NOT), then you are NOT
    required to comply with any request to provide ID, REGARDLESS of the state that you are in, unless you are driving a vehicle. These kids did not have to show their identification, nor even state their name. If I were these kids, I would have asked if we were being detained or if we were free to go, and THAT would have indicated the officer’s intent. Once the officer commits with an answer of “you are being detained”, then ask what law you are suspected of breaking, and the officer is REQUIRED to tell you. You posit, “if you have nothing to hide, cooperate.” … WRONG. You claim to be a Constitution-lover, yet, you spew this crap? The view SHOULD be, if there is no suspicion of a crime, then don’t be surprised if a citizen declines to identify him/herself. Your profoundly appreciated
    military service to this country notwithstanding, Coop, you may want to brush up on some rudimentary law, sir. Even fledgling paralegals know all about Terry v. Ohio, and I’m concerned that as a firearms instructor, you are teaching your clients the wrong thing.

  • cutglass57

    The biggest problem with carrying, particularly open carry is dealing with a hysterical ignorant public and the icing are cops who have no idea what the gun laws are in their jurisdicitons. There is one surefire foolproof way to avoid all this crap. Don’t open carry. Carry concealed. I’ve had a CCW for 10 years. When I carry no one knows but me. I don’t have to worry about gun haters or fearful ones out there. I don’t have to deal with idiot cops that don’t know the laws they are supposed to enforce. Why carry open??? The whole idea is to keep the bad guys guessing who is and is not armed. Carry concealed and avoid all this baloney. NRA Endowment Life Member. US Navy Veteran 12+ years. Disabled Veteran. Desert Shield/Desert Storm.

  • Lord Skeletor

    It’s obvious that you would need a LOT of training before you became sheriff. In most states, if police are dispatched to a call for service, asking for an ID is normal behavior. While I do take issue that the police officer obviously doesn’t know the law, that typically is a training issue. I guarantee that he will act differently next time—as once they are enlightened to what the law actually is, they typically won’t engage in such behavior again. I’m betting that there aren’t a lot of “open carry” people there—and as a result, the police there don’t often encounter OC people and have no reason to really immediately recall the law. Much like a traffic officer, who is likely a subject matter expert on vehicular infractions—would be in over his head if he were suddenly dropped into the middle of a situation where he had to deal with animal-control or code enforcement situations, given that while they were acquainted with such laws during basic academy training—if they don’t regularly cite people in regard to such violations, their knowledge of those particular laws could produce similar situations as this one. Nobody can remember ALL of the laws ALL of the time. There are laws which they commonly come into contact with as officers—and there are situations they infrequently come across that they sometimes don’t make the right decision on. Don’t try to compare the cop to a nazi or some dumb crap like that. I’m sure that when he got back, his supervisor(s) enlightened him the second this hit the news/Internet.

  • Tres

    Right on, Shad and Pat,,,,haha

  • Sarah Kennedy

    I walk threw Wal-Mart , the local park an the mall all the time caring, I just have mine concealed. Here in MI you can carry open or concealed. I have seen people open carry in the Wal-Mart an No one said anything!

  • FrankMinyard52

    IF NO ONE COMPLAINS THEN THE COPS DON’T SHOW. Simple huh? Fucking ignorant sheeple keep snitching on others trying to mind their own business. How brainless can you get?

  • MidclassTaxpayr

    Where in the Constitution of the United States–the HIGHEST law of the land–does it say ANYONE is required to show ID or a permit in order to bear arms? That’s where these martial-law policemen get their unconstitutional “right’ to violate the Constitution: by local legislators writing laws in violation of the highest law of the land, claiming people “must” show ID and a permit, etc. The Constitution gave us ALL a right to bear arms–no other stipulations indicated, and not just those in certain localities. Any law written in violation of the Constitution is invalid, illegal, is not a law, has no authority, no one is obligated to obey it, and no judge nor court is obligated to uphold it [Marbury vs. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803)].

  • Lawman45

    This proves my long held belief that in High School there is always a clique of thugs. Ten years later 1/2 are criminals and 1/2 are cops. No one can tell in advance into which group an individual will fall. They all have the same personality. DOMINANCE is their game. Submission is their joy. Yes, both groups are impolite and aggressive.

    Some points.
    1. Missouri is an open carry state.
    2. Wal-Mart has no signs (as required by Missouri law if you are prohibiting carry).
    3. Why are most small town cops FAT? And stupid?
    4. What did the cops need a machine gun for? Inadequate sexual development?

  • MidclassTaxpayr

    Actually, one of the guys with the girls stated that they DO check the stores before entering. But that’s irrelevant. The highest law of the land gives each of us that right.

  • Coop

    Gman, Where in my statement did I say anything about the officer Demanding anything?
    Also in the course of instruction we are given as instructors we are required to give instruction to our students that when confronted by law enforcement while in possession of a firearm it is best to comply rather than to resist. This allows the officer (in most cases, not all) to clearly identify who you are and whether or not you are LEGALLY in possession of a firearm (eg. non felon, legal status etc) To resist can be taken as a confrontation with law enforcement which never turns out well. I agree that compliance to show I.D. and or give ones name is not mandatory but would it not be more prudent to comply rather than face possible arrest or even worse from an already nervous officer??? There are MANY officers out there that are not current with all laws, rules and regulations. I prefer to keep my options open and for my students to realize that just because you have a Constitutional Right and or a permit to carry does not mean that you should cause a confrontation with law enforcement. We also have Constitutional Attorneys come to our classes to discuss the right and wrong way to react when in the presence of law enforcement.

  • Coop

    Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), was a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court which held that the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures is not violated when a police officer stops a suspect on the street and frisks him or her without probable cause to arrest, if the police officer has a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime and has a reasonable belief that the person “may be armed and presently dangerous.”[1]

    For their own protection, police may perform a quick surface search of the person’s outer clothing for weapons if they have reasonable suspicion that the person stopped is armed. This reasonable suspicion must be based on “specific and articulable facts” and not merely upon an officer’s hunch. This permitted police action has subsequently been referred to in short as a “stop and frisk,” or simply a “Terry frisk”. The Terry standard was later extended to temporary detentions of persons in vehicles, known as traffic stops; see Terry stop for a summary of subsequent jurisprudence.

    The rationale behind the Supreme Court decision revolves around the understanding that, as the opinion notes, “the exclusionary rule has its limitations.” The meaning of the rule is to protect persons from unreasonable searches and seizures aimed at gathering evidence, not searches and seizures for other purposes (like prevention of crime or personal protection of police officers).

  • Frank_four_fingers

    This is bullshit man. I don’t understand why Cops can completely harass these people who are an average gun toting American citizen. You know what really grinds my gears is if these people belonged to a minority race, there would be an uproar in D.C. and among minority communities. I don’t blame the cops for trying to protect society and do their jobs, but there is a way to conduct this certain type of business, and he did not follow it. If the police officer doesn’t have probable cause or suspicion to see someone’s I.D. you do not have to hand it over. It is almost like Nazi-controlled France. Those people did the right thing though; by handing over their I.D. and their credentials they avoided any further trouble. I always keep my phone charged and handy in case some jackass cop wants to arrest me. One quick question…,. isn’t it okay in Missouri to open carry without a permit?

  • ladyblueii

    I love this video. I am so thankful there are people like you out there doing something like this. The public needs to know. Bull crap!

  • Vincent Smith

    Why did you suck up to the cops in person and then put them in a negative light on you tube. chicken shits!! If you thought they were breaking the law and disregarding your constitutional rights you should have resisted, asked for warrants, made them bring charges before you just handed over your id’s. Bunch a pussies, go out to cause trouble then act like little girls. then when you get home and are out of reach get all big and bad!! Fuckn pussies.

  • Vincent Smith

    He protected everyone in this instance, the gun toters, walmart people, and himself no one was harmed you goof. All were protected! He did not force those people to give up their id’s they voluntarily gave them up! They were the idiots here they go out an start a constitutional situation and then fall in line like sheep when the big bad cop barks at them. Then when they get home they put it online with a bunch of insulting comments. They are chicken shits! If you are going to press for your rights then press!! Dont cower and hide behind the anonymity of the internet!

  • Vincent Smith

    You just dont get it, go back to sleep

  • hammer1

    Well said Scott Henderson

  • Vincent Smith

    What if the wacko comes in and starts blasting and your gun is in the car!! God that is such a stupid response Deb N. The idea of carrying a gun is you never know when you will need it, so carry it always!! I do. But i carry concealed because of idiots like you!! I hope i never have to use it, but if i do i hope you are right there with me when i do, so then you can thank me for saving your stupid life! I am sure you will change your mind then!

  • Vincent Smith

    That is the way it is supposed to work!

  • Vincent Smith

    If these fine cops were NAZI you and them girls would not have gone on your way that day. You would have went to jail and all of those weapons would now be in the evidence room. You would never have seen them again, you vehicles would have been impounded and your mommy and daddy would have had to bail you out!! Fuckn pussy college ass holes. trying to prove some sort of point that you are free. Freedom is an illusion dickheads, you have a lifetime of work ahead of you and most of you proceeds will go to support the govt.

  • Vincent Smith

    idiot

  • Vincent Smith

    moron

  • Terry Ward

    The police have no right to stop these people and ask for their papers carrying a firearm is not reasonable suspicion to stop and search this is one of my main problems with the police they are supposed to enforce the law and they don’t even know the law FUCK THE POLICE

  • Vincent Smith

    Fuck you

  • Sheila Stagner-Mace

    He is trying to figure out if a crime has been committed by looking at their ID?? Yeah, cause it will say, right on the front. LOL…Can we say dickwad??

  • Meat Man

    Listen everybody, there is no right or wrong here. Someone walks into a Walmart and sees some pistol packin mamas with their weapons showing just siting around eating would make me wonder too. Especially in today’s world. Are they cops , is something going to go down? I might be a little unnerving. Best thing to do is cooperate and show your ID. These cops are constantly on edge and are being shot at with no regard. I have a conceal carry permit and I am ready and willing to show it when asked. Don’t hassle these cops when they are on edge with the sight of people having firearms in plain view. Explain yourself and be cooperative. As long as your not some criminal and don’t pose a threat respectfully follow their instructions. All they want to do is go home to their families after their shift.

  • Gregory

    I agree the girls didn’t have to show their ID’s unless the officer had at least “articulable suspicion” that they were engaged in wrongdoing and formally detained them. They would have been perfectly within their rights to simple refuse and ignore the officer. That being said, if they had they would likely have been arrested for violation of some sort of local disorderly conduct statute and “causing public alarm”. DO laws are almost universally unconstitutionally broad and give too much discretion.

  • Stephen Zeigler

    Let me suggest….to some the officer would appear as such, however in his day to day work those he is in most contact with need to hear and see “he is in charge and needs to be feared, and respected”. You don’t walk up to strangers at 2:am with your happy face on, you’d be taken down or out. So these officers operate at same level 24/7 to be IN CHARGE and to some that may appear or sound aggressive.

  • Stephen Zeigler

    I agree Coop…..cop did a pretty good job…they to are in a tough spot with only seconds to ascertain threats from friendlies. As to detainment and checking ID’s, it is really just a matter of picking your battles, and that’s one for another day. Best to deal with here and now, comply, better to have cop on your side, after all most agree with your right to carry. If not for the liberals they’d never get a phone call about side arms.

  • ea

    That cop was a douche! I like when the guy stated he filmed to show that some police uphold the 2nd amendment and to show it! What he should have said also was “and then there are some asshats who over reach their authority and deny citizens their 2nd amendment rights or ask them illegally for their ID.”.

  • jetames

    Why would anyone eat anything from a walmart?

  • Justin Berger

    a municipal law can not superceed federal or state law.

  • Justin Berger

    walmart corporate policy is to adhere to federal,and state law,walmart is 2A friendly

  • Phil Bailey

    Not to mention all of them who seem to come down with a “God” complex and think that piece of tin on their chest gives them the right to act anyway they please or say anything they want!!

  • Phil Bailey

    Yeah they needed to react like that because you know all criminals who intend to rob or do someone harm openly carry their weapon in a holster visible to everyone!!!!! The people the police really need to worry about keep their shit concealed until the time they plan to use it….what a dumb ass

  • Richard Maloney

    thanks for the info shawn, being canadian our gun laws are totally different and very restrictive in who can purchace, carry and where they are permitted to be used or displayed. Seen alot of the utube encounters you have with police over your second adm. and seems either the police are not well verse in the constitution or are willfully ignoring it to control the citizens. again thanks for correction.

  • Molon Labe

    “I agree that compliance to show I.D. and or give ones name is not mandatory but would it not be more prudent to comply rather than face possible arrest or even worse from an already nervous officer???”

    Um, NO! It is a Constitutional right for a reason and LE needs to get over their power trip. It’s there to place limits on our government so they can’t too big for their britches. If I’m not suspected to have committed a crime then no you can’t have my ID, simple as that. I’m an not compelled by law to say or do squat until such a time the officer suspects I have committed a crime. These Constitutional lawyers you mention should be giving their lessons to LE instead of the citizens.

    “I prefer to keep my options open and for my students to realize that just because you have a Constitutional Right and or a permit to carry does not mean that you should cause a confrontation with law enforcement.”

    I beg to differ. It is the LEO that is causing the confrontation not the citizen. What were the “suspicious circumstances”? What crime was committed? Then be on your way officer. Back trace the 9-1-1 call and send the bill to the caller who phoned in the phony “emergency”.

    As long as we let them get away with it they will never learn and will grow bolder. Some of my best friends are LEO’s. I respect the tough job that they have. However, their work does not supersede my rights. You may chose to give up all your rights the soon a guy/gal with a badge walks by you, but I shall not!

  • Jen Reiswig

    So it’s illegal to conceal a handgun but when citizens are following the law they are treated like criminals? Our system is so corrupt. It is scary to travel long distances by yourself as a woman, a tire could blow out and the wrong person could walk up and that girl be killed, raped or dissapear forever that happens every day, shoot outs in Walmart do not happen every day.

  • Jen Reiswig

    And the cops always try and threaten and scare you saying “oh we could do this…blah blah” that is an abuse of power using threats to keep a person from speaking their mind, which is also a constitutional right.

  • Biscuitom

    Hmmm Police officer get a call that people are carrying fire arms. If you’r child was in the Mall, you would have wanted the gun carrying people checked. That officer was called away from protecting the public because these kids decided to make a scene! It is their right to carry, but it is not their right to scare the hell out of people! Police can carry while off duty, but they make sure their guns are hidden. It gives them an advantage! If people see you carrying, they can easily walk up behind you and smash you in the head with a bat! How very immature of them!

  • Molon Labe

    They were law abiding people!!! They were not suspected in a crime!!! The caller did not report a crime only people with guns which is not a crime. They were accused of no wrong doing and “looking” at their ID wouldn’t tell them if they were!!! You make no sense. It is NOT impossible for dispatch to discern the threat over the phone! Pasted from above-
    “911 Operator: What are they doing with the weapons?Idiot: They are…BUYING LUNCH!
    911: Um…they’re allowed to do that.
    Idiot: BUT I FEEL UPSET!
    911: We’ll send the padded wagon to take you away..please do not leave.”

    What is so threatening about an openly carried weapon? These kids were not wearing trench coats. They didn’t look shady. Even if they were, SO WHAT! It’s holstered. At no point was it accused that it wasn’t.

    Polite? LOL Did you miss the “Do what I say or else” tone throughout the entire contact. Though one could argue that a LEO should have been dispatched to check it out, the proper response would be that the office see’s the individuals and that they are up to no good, not behaving unruly or suspicious and have been on his way to the next call instead of harassing law abiding citizens.

  • Molon Labe

    typo should read-officer see’s the individuals and that they are NOT up to no good…

  • Molon Labe

    People like you are what’s wrong with this country. Calling them names for protecting themselves and the community from truly bad people? Scare the hell out of people? Sheep like you are the only people scared when they see a holstered gun.

  • http://www.garyrainey.com Gary Rainey

    I agree, I thought there were times when his body language and tone and his constant ordering them around was bordering on aggressive behavior

  • http://www.garyrainey.com Gary Rainey

    I have run across of few of those from state to state

  • http://www.garyrainey.com Gary Rainey

    I have no problem with the Collection of ID but I do feel the officer clearly was clueless as to WHY law enforcement was even called when Clearly if Walmart had an issue with it someone from store management should have been present since it was on Walmart premises but for him to collect the IDs of all people with them was a bit overboard since they others were not carrying firearms and for him to lack the organizational skills to escort them outside out of the line of pedestrian traffic was ridiculous on his part since they were all calm, nobody was flashing their weapons or resisting it was clearly the Police flexing their muscles to citizens right to carry firearms and I applaud the ladies and gentlemen for remaining calm and informing the Law enforcement that they knew their rights and they did not back down to law enforcement.

  • http://www.garyrainey.com Gary Rainey

    Coop, I agree with you however you would think that a civilized country like America could get its act together and agree at STATE LEVEL on something as simple as Firearms. This would eliminate those who choose to carry from being harassed by law enforcement and thus eliminate the need for ridiculous individual city and county laws. I applaud the girls for Carrying and I hope that more people will.

  • kahokamo

    I was in Law Enforcement for over 32 years. That was the most unprofessional stop I have ever had the opportunity to watch. Disgraceful.

  • kahokamo

    I call Bullshit on this one. He didn’t even know a valid ID when he saw it. “I need some real ID” I know if he attended an academy in MIssouri like I did he would know that a passport is a valid ID.

  • ItsMeMario

    why did he ask for IDs of the friends that didnt have weapons and had committed no crime?

  • http://www.garyrainey.com Gary Rainey

    I agree with you on the POLICE STATE comment. We are becoming a FEDERALIZED POLICE NATION with the us of surveillance everywhere and Federalizing of local state and county Police. History was made when the president signed the last Defense Spending bill which authorizes arrest and detention of American Citizens without Due Process ON AMERICAN SOIL. Although President OBama says he will never use it, WHY DID HE SIGN IT?

  • http://www.garyrainey.com Gary Rainey

    Why vote when each state has chosen who they are voting for in June (Electors) before the elections and sent to the governor of said state to be sent to Electoral college in November. The Electoral College needs to be thrown out and EACH VOTE counted so the PEOPLES VOICE is heard and NOT the vote MONEY BUYS

  • Daniel Detlefsen

    Police officer looks like a scared little vagina…

  • http://www.garyrainey.com Gary Rainey

    Because he was stumbling to find some reason to JUSTIFY his having to be there.

  • Larry Hobel

    Jeff you are correct and wrong at the same time. A legal permit holder is required by law to produce ID and permit on demand by any LEO. The wrong part is He actually had probable cause due to it being a suspicious person with a gun call. Now if he had just came across them on the street then you would have been 100% correct…….Now for Daniel….plain and simple your a putz……did you even watch the video beyond the first 30 seconds? probably not but anyway….. They were from out of state which means they would have to obtain a temporary state permit to carry their weapons in that state sometimes known as travel permits…….and that being said they were required by their signature to produce their ID the OC permit and their home state CCW permit without question when asked for by any LEO……they admitted to trying to cause a problem to catch cops who were unaware of the current laws…….So your argument is null and void Please go read your STATE constitution and Bill of rights as they differ greatly from the Federal constitution

  • av

    Apparently no one stopped to think that Walmart is a privately owned company and that as such they have a right to male their own rules regarding gun carring on their property. Yes, you have the right to open carry, IN PUBLIC. Walmart is PRIVATE property and every one i’ve ever been in has had signs clearly stating “No weapons on this premises.” They have a right too. I support the 2nd amendment and public carry of weapons, but do your research before you claim your rights are being taken away. Everyone has rights, even walmart. Don’t carry guns places that you aren’t aloud amd you won’t have that problem. Just because you carry a gun, it doesn’t make you not a sheep.

  • TedCrunch

    The cop already knows the girls are not breaking the law, but he does have to make a thorough investigation. The problem stems from the guns issue, being a very hot and polarized one. If one of the girls shot somebody after the cop left, he’d be accused of not doing his job; the anti-gun groups would hammer the police for that. He’s holding them up in an attempt to see if one of them slips up.
    He’s analyzing them. This is the society in which we live, today. Criminals are making incidents like this more necessary than ever before.

    Delaware (where I used to live) has long been an open carry state without a permit needed, but just try doing that, and you’ll have a bunch of cops down on you in a flash. Cops are bound to investigate people in ANY state where people are open-carrying. It’s life! The Delaware establishment doesn’t like guns or want people to have guns; that’s why they have made it so hard to get a concealed carry permit.

    I believe the girls were also testing the law. They knew before they went into the store, that it would bring attention to them. Let’s not kid ourselves about that, even though their carrying was legal. This was no simple mistake they made. They got what they asked for: Police attention!

    The article said they went in there… “not knowing they would be confronted by a Nazi-styled “show-me-your-papers” local police officer.” Calling the police “Nazi-style” was being overly dramatic and wrong. The cop did what he was trained to do. If the girls truly did not know they would be confronted by cops, they were either stupid or it was the first time they ventured out with a gun. Did they ever take a firearms course? I doubt it. That’s why they’re open-carrying instead of concealed-carrying.

    Ask yourself, if you walked into a store with an exposed gun, would nobody call the cops? I very much doubt that anyone wears a gun on their hip and absentmindedly goes into a store. Very few stores appreciate or allow open carry on their premises.

    There is a guy who has regularly tested the police in a similar way with photography. Taking photos in public is allowed everywhere, but some cops and security don’t know this. So he deliberately looks for cops guarding a place and then takes photos of them. Sometimes the cop will tell him to stop, but he continues until they threaten him. He has someone taking video so he can then put it on YouTube. He’s an attention-seeker!

    Put yourself in the cop’s position. You’ve been sent to a store where two women are openly carrying guns. You don’t know what to expect, but you have to be prepared for trouble, even being shot at. It’s a tense situation. So you have backup for protection because you have two armed people to face. Are you just going to look at their driver licenses or other ID and say, “Okay, have a nice day.”? And bear in mind that Walmart rightfully wants them out of there because it frightens other
    customers.

    The “Free Patriot” needs to consider both sides of the issue before condemning the cops who are sworn to protect the public to the best of their ability. And bear in mind no cop is perfect in every way. Concealed carry is the way to go. What the eye doesn’t see, the heart doesn’t grieve.

  • pretap

    CAN I ASK THOSE OF YOU HERE WHO CARRY GUNS A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION, AND I’M SERIOUS AS ALL GET OUT? WHY MUST YOU CALL THOSE OF US WHO ARE AFRAID OF GUNS SUCH VILE AND CRUEL NAMES? HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN ANY OF OUR SHOES, WHERE SOME OF US HAVE SEEN FOLKS SHOT (SOME DIED AFTERWARDS FROM THEIR WOUNDS), LOVED ONES WITH GUNS PUT TO THEIR HEADS, AND THEIR LIVES ALMOST TAKEN, ETC.? WHY AM I CALLED AN A**HOLE BECAUSE OF MY CIRCUMSTANCES AND FEAR OF GUNS? I JUST DON’T GET IT?? YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I’VE GONE THROUGH IN MY LIFETIME (A 12 YEAR OLD BROTHER PULLED OFF OF HIS BIKE BY A POLICE OFFICER WHO HELD A GUN TO HIS HEAD, WITH MY SISTER CRYING HYSTERICALLY, AND MY PARENTS NOWHERE IN SITE TO TURN TO FOR HELP. MENTALLY CHALLENGED BROTHER AND FRIENDS, NEPHEW WITH ASPERGERS FRISKED AND THEY DON’T KNOW WHY, SOME WITH COPS WITH GUNS DRAWN ON THEM. WHY ARE WE THE STUPID ONES??) WHEN IT COMES TO FIREARMS, BUT WE’RE THE STUPID, IDIOTIC AND WORST NAMED ONES, WHY IS THAT?
    P.S. I AM WELL AWARE OF THE “GUNS DON’T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE” MANTRA HERE.

  • stone8

    Uneducated as well, since he doesn’t consider a passport as “appropriate” identification

  • TedCrunch

    First, typing in upper case is considered shouting. You’d make a better case if you didn’t do that.

    Second, I’ve have guns for thirty years and never heard any gun owner call people who are afraid of guns, cruel names. Our problem is with those who want to disarm law-abiding citizens, and prevent us from protecting ourselves from criminals with guns. You have nothing to fear from the law-abiding gun owners. They would even use their guns to protect you if you were in a bad situation. It’s the armed criminals you have to be afraid of.

    Cops don’t pull a12-year old kid off his bike for nothing and stick a gun to his head. Apparently, there was a problem with your mentally-challenged brother, and it took a while for the cop to know he had a problem. In the meanwhile your brother must have done something to get the cop riled up. We’d need to hear both sides of the story, but misunderstandings do happen. We don’t live in a perfect world.

  • Crystal Bogart

    As a gun owner and staunch supporter of Open-carry laws I’m honestly offended by this. This guy was a prick yes, but cocky attitudes and funny jabs aren’t the way to handle the situation. They probably received a phone call from a patron of the restaurant or Wal-Mart stating that there were people there with guns. They don’t know the situation they are coming up on so accuse the hell out of them for being nervous and not handling it well.

    Marshfield isn’t far from Springfield which isn’t the safest city in MO, the cops were trying to do their jobs. They don’t need to be call Nazi’s or Barney Fife.

  • scott

    name someone he protected,it looked to me like he wanted to flex his authority,the girls showed ID,one girl even showed a US passport,the ONLY national ID we have in this country and this dipshit was like,”Do you have any other ID?”why,why did she need more ID,to satisfy his power trip.

  • Gun-totin’ American

    So, the Constitution doesn’t apply there right? It’s the small infrigements that go unnoticed until something like this comes up. Then it’s like the people don’t really care anyway, or they would overthrow the small town and county gov. Wake up America……and fight back before there is nothing left to fight for!

  • scott

    they were detained,they were at no point free to leave,the cop kept the ID,ordered them where to go and what to do.If they were free to go,why did the cop not just say,here is your ID,and if you are done here you need to go,customers are feeling threatend.

  • Jonathan Risley

    If there is a business that does not want people who have a RIGHT to carry in their establishment, they should Post it, if they do not do so, then they should NOT have a right to complain. And as for the Officer here, he should know the law enough to know that there were no laws being broken, and he had no right to detain them for any reason. He questioning whether or not the one Young Lady had any other ID, should be sent back to school to learn the different types of ID’s that exist, yes a Passport is the best form of ID that you can carry, and NO he had no right to take everyone’s ID that was in that group. He was only allowed to take the ID and question those that were carrying, they were the one’s that a call was placed to the Police about, therefore they were the only one’s that should have even been questioned. However, that is a judgement call on the part of the officer, and this just shows that this officer has little to no judgement ability, which begs the question “Is he really qualified to be a Police Officer?”

  • scott

    there you Scott,I just realized I was able to post a pic,have you ever heard of the constitution,the 2nd amendment states we are allowed to keep and bear arms to prevent a tyrannical gov’t,everything I said was legal as it is covered by my first amendment rights.Now,my first amendment rights allow me to speak freely and to as speaking freely,I am encouraging people that we are in need of raising up and reminding cops that they work for us,not us for them.Again,the second amendment allows us to carry firearms to prevent tyrannical gov’t,remind me again,aren’t cops part of the gov’t?

  • scott

    why is it just because someone in this country is afraid of something,the ones who like said thing are the ones harassed by the gov’t?In this case it is guns,you are afraid of them,so does that mean everyone has to lock their guns up to satisfy your fears?It is just like an athiest,they do not believe in Jesus so they insist anyone wearing a cross is out to offend them.No,I do not think the cops handled the situation to the best of their ability,they came in with the attitude,you got guns in my town,to hell you say,i will fix that problem.If he handled it politly,he would have seen the people for people not perps(Perps do not openly carry)and said,we got a call about you being armed,is there a reason for that?Girl,we are passing through wanted to eat and now we are leaving,COP,ok,at anytime did you unholster your weapon?girl,no sir,we all kept them holstered but carry them for protection,we have papers for them.Cop,ok,let me see your permits and you can go.why would that have been so hard?It would not go down like that because then the cop would not feel like he was in control

  • Steve

    Notified the authorities that they were scared. Of? What did they do that scared someone. If the sight of a gun scares you, stay home, don’t watch TV, movies, play video games, or read magazines. Bunch of morons. And these 7th grade educated cops…wow.

  • scott

    criminals do not open carry,you know why?because they are mostly felons and can not legally obtain a carry permit or legally get a gun,if they do get a gun,they conceal it so as not to bring attention to themselves.The people open carrying are not to be feared,it is the one’s you do not see carrying you have to worry about

  • stan

    … there is a second video that appears wityh the group aftertr thids oner sdhowing his Chief explaining and apologizing tyo ther girls….

  • Crystal Snow

    fK THAT PIG!!!!

  • scott

    here,more proof cops are dumb

    A North Carolina police officer was charged with voluntary manslaughter on Saturday after police say he fatally shot an unarmed man who had apparently just survived a car crash in Charlotte and was looking for help.

    The victim, Jonathan Ferrell, a 24-year-old former Florida A&M University football player, was shot multiple times and pronounced dead at the scene early Saturday morning.

    The 27-year-old officer, Randall Kerrick, turned himself into police late Saturday. He was released on a $50,000 bond.

    “The shooting of Mr. Ferrell was excessive,” the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department said in a statement. “Our investigation has shown that Officer Kerrick did not have a lawful right to discharge his weapon during this encounter.”

    According to police, Ferrell crashed his vehicle into the woods, climbed out of his car and walked a half-mile to the nearest house. He began “banging on the door viciously,” Charlotte-Mecklenburg Chief Rodney Monroe said.

    “It was quite possible he was seeking assistance based on his accident,” Monroe said.

    But the woman who answered the door thought Ferrell was a burglar and called police shortly after 2:30 a.m. to report an attempted break-in.

    http://news.yahoo.com/ferrell-kerrick-police-unarmed-shooting-charlotte-191520307.html

  • stan

    … all of you posters need to watch the second video which appears in a group that appears AFTER this one ends… it shows the officers’ Chief (who was apparently called to the scene) SPENDING 8:29 APOLOGIZING AND EXPLAINING HIS OFFICERS’ IMPROPER ACTIONS TO THE GIRLS…. this tells me that the officer WAS wrong in his actions and validates most of the comments made here indicating disgust with the officers’ attitude and demeanor……..

  • Cal

    As if seeing ID is the be all end all? What a load

  • betzinva

    I heard him ask if she had another form of ID besides the passport. Not call it inappropriate or unreal. As annoying as it is to see open carry hassled, this cop is not the poster child for a libertarian meltdown. There are far better cases to document, and far too many of them.

  • stone8

    The police are allowed to “conceal” their weapon when off duty, but not everyone has a “concealed” carry license. Mean while, what is it the scares you about seeing people with a “holstered” gun? It is the folks with the gun in their hand that should scare you.

  • stone8

    DOLT! Look it up.

  • [email protected]

    I think the police department should be sued and then when they lose some money maybe then they will learn the right way to do there jobs!!!!

  • stone8

    Why not open carry? It is their right and useful idiots (including police) have no business depriving them of this right. USN Vet 10 yrs, Viet Nam

  • stone8

    It is not illegal to video the police.

  • stone8

    Your homeboy Barry is doing all he can to NOT make voters have to show I D to vote and unless a crime is suspected, the police have no business asking for I D.

  • Xmystic

    I understand your position and can empathise to a degree, but it still doesn’t make it right. Your fear does not trump my right. If someone is afraid of dogs, can they call the police and tell them a scary dog is near their house and then have the police detain and ID the dog owner who is walking his dog down the sidewalk? If someone is afraid of black people, do they get to call the cops and have the cops detain and ID the black person?

    The dispatcher could have nipped this in the bud. “People here with guns” “What are they doing” “Eating lunch” DOH!

  • Southern gun slinger

    Police were called. On a call the police has the right to ask for ID. He did not ask for papers. Check your state for gun laws on open carry, they are different. A right to none serve does not have to be posted. The girl in the white shirt, her gun was concealed under her shirt. You were with a group. He had the right to ask for ID from all. There was an rapprochement by the men. The officer asked if they were with the group, the man replied yes. The reason why ID not papers were asked. The women said they were family, the friends and then family and friend as if it were the same. They lied it is not the same. This is not a way to fight for the 2nd amendment. This was show doggin and very disrespectful for the women and children that were shopping.. And the men were not carrying to prove further these peoples intention. The police acted appropriately to the call. these people need to rally support and take it to Washington to help keep our rights. I live in the south. It is natural to carry in Walmart and seeing guns in our truck is natural. Damn stupid Yankees

  • Xmystic

    That is true, but the guy in the video said they looked for a “No firearms” sign and didn’t see one. At that point the owner/manager can ask you to leave or have the cops ask you to leave. There was no crime and while the officer can ask for ID the group had no legal obligation to present ID. The officer didn’t know if there was a crime yet. If dispatch had done a better job and one of the police interviewed the manager (or whoever made the call), they would have known there was no crime and simply a refusal of service (which could be perceived as discrimination, but that’s another debate).

  • Jeff Ward

    I know the officer. By knowing him I’d say the call that the department received was blown out of proportion by whoever made the call. We don’t know what was said during the call. If it was simply called in that there were two girls wearing guns on their side then the officer was too aggressive. If the call stated there were two girls with guns or guns drawn etc…that changes everything. We don’t know what was reported.

  • 1980

    get a bloody grip you stupid people .what a waste of police time . how about no guns at all .oooooooooooooooo look there is an idea

  • Political Preston

    No Sir, on the electoral college, you are wrong. The 17th amendment is what needs to be thrown out. But the college is there for a very specific reason. It gives a voice to everyone and not just the majority. It gives a state like Delaware the same voice as NY (figuratively speaking). Without the electoral college, The populace states would be the ones picking the president.

  • pretap

    TedCrunch,
    I put it in caps because once again, I’m sick and tired of being called names because I’m afraid of guns, but am NOT going to apologize for it any more. Just because you’ve never done it doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. I’m called an a**hole and asked to “snap out of it” because I’m making things bad for those who do carry guns, really??

    I never said anything about ‘disarming’ anyone, but that doesn’t matter, when you’re called an idiot and dummy for what you’ve been through. I have friends who own guns and that’s their business, but have decided not to take this mess any more. As for my “brother” the reason the cop stuck that gun to his head was because they were searching for another “12 year old who’d stolen a bike, and my brother was told he fit that description”, he was NEVER the same after that incident and neither was my “15 year old sister”. But I know, they looked suspicious so why not??

    There was NO problem with my mentally challenged brother or his friends (or my nephew with Aspergers who the police were about to “throw to the ground”), who are constantly “stopped and frisked” and can’t understand why? “Your brother must have done something to rile that cop up, we’d need to hear both sides of the story, but misunderstandings do happen, we don’t live in a perfect world”. YEP I was waiting for that other shoe to drop and you haven’t disappointed me. Right on cue as usual, we’re ALWAYS in the wrong, but I make you this guarantee if the shoe were on the other foot, in no way would you be saying this to me. You don’t go through it so you could care less. It doesn’t happen to anyone you know or love, so why should it even matter right? Thanks for proving my point Ted.
    P.S. It doesn’t matter what anyone says in the long run, as folks will continue to have guns, legal or illegal so we’d better get used to it.

  • Justin Myrick

    In MO it is legal to open carry under state law, but municipalities are allowed to restrict it. I live very close to Marshfield, and OC is allowed where I live, but I do not know about Marshfield. If it is legal in Marshfield, then the police have no right to ask for an ID, since they have done nothing to give the officers probable cause that they have, or are about to commit a crime. Also, Wal-Mart’s corporate policy on carrying firearms is to adhere to the law of the area that the store is located. And judging by the officer’s refusal to tell them if they have broken a law or not, I would bet it is legal to open carry.

  • Scott Henderson

    Threatening to shoot someone is not your right, 1st Amendment or otherwise

  • Scott Henderson

    Funny, I didn’t see a transcript or hear a 911 call. Did you? I would personally like to see how it ended, but the video doesn’t show that (EDIT: I found the ending watch it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGAN8k7YpP8 and see the cordial ending to this encounter) . A dispatcher that received a call of a person with a gun and did not dispatch an officer would not be a dispatcher very long. I don’t recall saying they were threatening. And I agree with your last statement. once he saw what it was he should have been on his way. Like I said from the outset, I support open carry, concealed carry and the 2nd Amendment.

  • John Hanna

    Main issue with this is On private property you are under the laws and restrictions of the owner of the property Walmart has a strict no weapon policy on customers and employees plus walking in a public place may be it a store restaurant ect ect with a weapon is not a smart idea.. You guys are not helping the issue for gun rights.. Also the rules that a owner puts on the public use of his property cedes local and federal law

  • Scott Henderson

    May I suggest watching the 2nd half of this video that is left off of what is posted here. In it you will see the Chief of Police having a very cordial conversation with these young people. Watch it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGAN8k7YpP8
    Just feel like this should not have been left out. Watch it and judge for yourself.

  • Jeffrey Barron

    +1 KS85

    First, entering a business of any type with a weapon visible will always bring some suspicion out in people. Just because you may be a law abiding carrier doesn’t mean every person who open carries is also exercising the right. As a business, due to the massive costs of litigation and the costs/potential for harm, merchant businesses will generally not approach an armed individual. On the off chance the employee misspeaks Walmart could be liable for a huge amount of money for many different laws that are designed to protect the patron. Things like unlawful detainment, kidnapping and many other things can cost a company money on words alone. Why would a business open itself to a lawsuit when it can notify authorities to handle it and also protect its own interest?

    This video was obviously made by clueless kids attempting to sucker someone into a situation just like this. The officer was being nice and respectful in the beginning, asking for identification (not papers) in order to determine if everyone had the right to bear arms in the first place. The kids definitely forgot that there are people in this country who have legally lost the right to carry weapons anywhere. Just because you don’t look like a normal felon doesn’t mean you’ve never been in the system. Sorry to tell the writer but when handed the passport he did not ask for real ID, he asked if they had any other identification. This is due to items being located on say a drivers license (your license number) that will have access to far more of your background than just a name search. The officer did not even get gruff until after mister “I know my rights” decided to be a jerk to the officer who was sincerely investigating a call of armed people.

    Its also quite apparent the makers of the video have absolutely no understanding of how the real world operates. I open carry a lot, and live in a city where there are few places where you can go inside while open carrying. The video points out the officers arrived with an AR-15 like it invalidates their right to carry. The officer never pointed it in their general direction. It remained muzzle down in the ready position the entire video. Would you prefer they show up with pillows and puppies? You do not have any clue how the call was made. The officers must respond as though its dangerous and do you know why? Idiots shoot people in this country. I know that’s crazy but it happens. An officer is not going to show up in his friendliest “lets hug and tell each other how cool we are” voice/body position and expect you to be there for the right reasons. You honestly think an officer responds to more friendly law abiding citizens or to more criminals? That’s right, criminals, and would you respond wanting to make friends with someone who is likely to shoot you? You have to treat every situation like it could go downhill because it often does. Also when it goes downhill it goes fast.

    I know a lot of officers are going overboard, but this officer was clearly conducting a positive investigation and from his own body language and actions (most of you would have no idea because you have never been trained in anything close to this) he was clearly relaxed and from the beginning had written it off as a panic call. He still has to investigate because if one of them had shot someone 20 minutes later during a crime, HE would be responsible to his department for not investigating the situation fully.

    Lastly, people get out of your comfortable “poor me the world is against me because I follow the law” zone. Stop for just a minute and put yourself in the other person’s shoes. Not at that exact second, that is how you get people like John Rolls below who thinks cops should be friendly and non-assertive when dealing with things. Remember just like you have a history and a life that makes you who you are, so do the people you are interacting with. That officer has a background that includes more than just you and he has to react based upon HIS life experiences not yours.

    Sadly this video only reminds me of the generation of gimme gimme gimme, me me me of today’s times. It was handled poorly by the men (not bad by the girls though) and would have ended quicker without the men having to feel all manly for challenging authority.

  • Scott Henderson

    Yea I have heard of the constitution, have you ever READ it? the 2nd Amendment states “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    Now I agree that the purpose is to prevent tyranny, as you state, BUT the 2nd amendment, does not say what you apparently think it does.

  • Jason’s Robot

    I guess openly carrying a gun in public in this part of Missouri is like openly speaking Spanish in public in Arizona. Cops assume you’re a criminal, detain you, and demand YOU prove you’re not.

  • Olen Lane

    They lucky that the cops did not shoot them,,then lie like they do!

  • Olen Lane

    Cops are brain dead,control freeks,, ass holes!
    With the LAW on there side.
    Be scared of them,,really.

  • Rob Mas

    The courts have upheld the rule that police candidates can be turned away if they are intelligent. It’s a good way for the morons to be cops and do as their told. So you have to remember what you’re dealing with when you’re dealing with a cop.

  • Kate Flanagan

    With all the horrific mass shootings in the news these days – I don’t blame that customer for calling in – not one bit! These ladies HAD to know they would cause havoc – that’s why there was a video camera conveniently on hand as all this unfolded. I am a FIRM believer in the 2nd amendment but open carry can go too far. Use a little common sense when in public.

  • Kate Flanagan

    Excellent! I agree 100 % This was STAGED for the camera.

  • BrotherWill

    All these people claiming these women violated some sort of local law or something need to read the Constitution. You then need to look up what the phrase “shall not be infringed” means. ANY LAW regarding firearms is unconstitutional as it is by definition an infringement. Constitutional laws trump all other laws, period. Otherwise, you could argue well you have the freedom of speech under the constitution but in my town they passed a law that says you do not. It doesn’t work like that, as that would make the Constitution worthless.

  • Jason Keenan

    Best comment yet. Society over time has been taught to comply with LEO’s unlawful requests for ID. If you have committed no crime, why would you give them your ID?? There has to be a line drawn. Could it potentially be problematic? Yes. You would be surprised, however, at how many LEO’s will IMMEDIATELY back down to an agitated citizen who is quite aware they’ve done nothing wrong and know their rights.

  • Justice

    I have never been to a Walmart that didn’t have a “No Weapons Allowed” sign posted on all public entery doors. Come on be real!

  • Coop

    Agree 100%

  • scott

    let me ask then,what part of not be infringed upon,or what part of tyrannical do you not understand?The girls were open carrying,as a supposed retired LEO,you should know that perps do not open carry as they want
    1)element of surprise
    2)can not obtain legal firearms(hence would not be shown)
    3)can not obtain a carry permit(again would not open carry to prevent unwanted attention)

    This could have gone down differently,first,why the over zealous cop with the ar15?Second,notice how the LEO has to try to belittle the girls at all times,also,if you want to come back with,he may have been in fear for his safety,why didn’t he have the girls remove their weapons?You see,there was no real threat and this idiot knew that but still had to flex at every chance he got,then,to show how stupid he really was,when the girl handed him her passport,he was like,do you have any other form of ID,A US passport is recognized worldwide as valid ID,but this cop is that stupid he did not realize that.

    as for reading the bill of rights,yes I have,have you?Just because you were a flop er cop does not mean you know the law

  • Coop

    Each State has it’s own Constitution which is separate from the Constitution of The United States. The State then allows Counties, Cities and other Municipalities to incorporate their own laws specific to themselves. Some states (Texas for one) still maintain the right to secede from the Union if U.S. laws or infringement become too great on their citizens or state government.

  • LHTwist

    Why was the officer collecting identification prior to establishing that any crime had been committed? He repeated several times that the reason he wanted the id’s was to determine IF criminal activity was present. The last time I looked, my identification does not state whether or not I am a criminal, so what was he hoping to gain? This is purely an intimidation tactic.

    This tactic is precisely the same as the Stop-and-Frisk program previously used in New York. On August 12, 2013, U.S. District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin
    ruled that the stop and frisk practice was unconstitutional and
    directed the Police to adopt a written policy to specify where such
    stops are authorized.

  • Mark Herndon

    This is gonna happen a lot, some s**t for brains customer apparently called police, and the a-hole customer given ‘em a hard time outside, what a douche. They need to start training police about the legal carrying of firearms, welcome to the police state, coming to your town soon.

  • Coop

    ML, You have a valid point. It is your Constitutional right Not to comply. I simply stated My opinion on the matter. Most LEO’s will not ask for ID unless there is a reason. I also have many friends and several family members who are state, local and county police officers. NONE of whom would step outside the bounds of the rights of the people. If an officer is called or dispatched for any reason it is his DUTY to assess the situation and determine what danger there may be to the citizens as well as to himself not unlike a soldier in combat. It is generally best for all concerned.

  • Jeffrey Barron Sucks

    tl;dr.

  • Coop

    No, most criminals will carry a weapon concealed or have it in their hand for ready use. However as I said before. There was a call made to 911 and the officers had to respond to the call and assess the situation. And I really don’t care about your opinion of my being a dumbass. Look in any mirror at any time of the day and you will likely see the real dumbass looking back at you. Have a nice day Phil

  • kim

    Sad really. This was obviously staged by the YouTube channel. Hope that these officers were not actually needed somewhere else while these people were wasting their time. But the really sad thing is that these people ACTUALLY long for a day when all Wal-Mart shoppers are packin’ a weapon on their hip.

  • Coop

    Very well said.

  • Jeff Kline

    The fact is that regardless of open carry or conceal carry, the point somehow got lost in all this. You are required to show proof you have been authorized to do this. Doesn’t matter at this point in the dialog of whether or not its constitutional. It’s the law. You have to show the card. I have no issue with that. The officers however must also understand state law. They are charged with enforcing that law regardless of their like or dislike of the law. Excessive time of holding these people while checking ID’s can be construed as illegal detention by some legal standpoints. They are thinly sitting on that line holding all these people.

  • Jeff Kline

    Absolutely.

  • Coop

    Wal-Mart corporate policy does not over ride the policy of the property owner. If Wal-Mart owns the property which most do not they can allow open or concealed as they see fit.

  • Coop

    He did not ask for REAL ID. He did ask for any other form of ID.

  • HappyJohn9

    With the new “media shield law” going through the US Senate, the person with the video camera would not be considered a “journalist” and the police would have the authority to confiscate the camera.

  • Treasure Valley Wildcards

    Walmart sells ammo and guns. So what’s the point again?

  • C&C

    These people are seeking attention, and they got it. Congratulations on wasting the local authorities’ time. Get a C&C if you feel like your rights were violated. If I was the store manager I would have called the police too. A bunch of 20 year olds just came in my store and they all have guns. Of course someone is going to call the police and of course the police are going to question you because you are a potential threat. You’re dumb enough to believe you can open carry in a populated place and then lecture the authorities when they question you. It’s people like you that are going to scare people into voting in more gun control laws.

  • C&C

    thank you! I hate all these youtubers who go out looking to make a video. It makes all other legal carriers look like they are on a power trip.

  • Lyndsay

    Discretion would have been a better solution. If these guns had been discreetly carried, none of this would have had to happen. Personally, I worry about people who feel they need to bring a gun to Walmart. And show it off.

  • Kim Graves

    i’m sorry but if i saw someone carrying a gun in my local walmart i’d call security also..there are too many that are out to harm others…i don’t see her id how am i to know she has a carry permit?

  • Kellbell

    I don’t believe you understand, Jeff. There was no concealment, which means they didn’t have to show anyone any papers, period. This is the kind of ignorance that persecutes innocent, law abiding citizens. Those cops violated the rights of those girls. I don’t think society would be so afraid of seeing someone in civilian clothes carrying a gun if there wasn’t so much bs propaganda in regards to guns and terrorism…

  • Kellbell

    What looked suspicious about a group of women sitting down eating lunch? That shouldn’t be considered suspicious. Are we so terrified by terrorists and anti gun propaganda that living as a free Citizen, abiding the law has become suspicious?! I think it is terribly frightening to think that the only people who are allowed to carry weapons and not look suspicious are law enforcement officers or some form of military.

  • Daniel

    I agree completely with this guy. I work public safety and the officer was correct in his actions. He has an obligation to the 911 caller to full investigate. I am a firefighter and it works the same for us. Any call no matter how dumb we think it is has to be fully investigated. Its our job and we accept it. He’s is probably on the side of the girls but when you get a guy coming up and telling him what he already knows it gets frustrating.

    If you open carry expect people to get all weird. I conceal and there is a reason why I conceal, so no one knows and they don’t get all weird.. that’s when people do dumb stuff.

    SEMPER FI

  • Michael

    After watching the video and reading the conversations here, I felt compelled to respond. I love within Marshfield and while I may not agree with everything that our local PD does, I believe that they responded the way that they should have to a 911 call involving firearms. While the officer is gruff he is doing his job in investigating that call. Yes, not knowing that a passport is a valid form of ID made him look stupid, but in a town of 6633 not many people carry them around with them. Understand that this isn’t a BIG town. People here do not feel the need to carry weapons on their person in the open, we have a low crime rate. So, yes, when people here see someone openly carrying a firearm into a public space that they don’t know, they are going to be unnerved. Again, it’s a small town where everyone knows everyone. Was it absolutely necessary for the girls to carry the weapons into the Wal-mart and Subway in such a small town? No. Were they just trying to see what kind of a response they would get? Yes. Understand that though some of those involved are in their 20′s they are still children. Proven by the fact that one of them says that they were recording to how law officials would respond to what they were doing. They did it for the attention and nothing more.

  • Everyday Normal Guy

    I think these people are ignorant. To think they can walk into a public place with a firearm visible and expect no one to be concerned. It’s common sense! Doing what they did is just a publicity stunt and in my mind abusing our amendment rights. An officer’s number one priority is to protect people from each other and that is just what he is doing. He received a call from a scared citizen and responded…. Just because we have a right to do something doesn’t mean we should go out and try it. There is a time and place for everything. This was not one of them… This video is very disrespectful.

  • Ron S

    Do you kids have anything better to do? Yes Missouri is and open and carry state,as are other states, but you are a team of young twits who are purposely open and carry with all your cameras ready for the purpose of creating a disturbance. Yes, a disturbance. These are not the wild west days. While you have a right to open and carry, do you REALLY have a need to do so? Are you being stalked? Is anyone threatening you? Do you fear for your life? Then you have no business going into very public places “displaying” your firearms for the whole intent of getting your little fame on utube. You “say” you’re looking for law abiding officers…bla bla bla, while we open up this video because of your insults towards them of being “Barney Fife” like, and adding all your little naratives. Just because you CAN doesn’t mean you SHOULD! Carry if you think you must, but conceal is better advice. That way you don’t invite trouble. Who knows, maybe you walk to close to a crazy who now sees an opportunity to grab YOUR weapon and create his own scene….which may be deadly, all because you punks want to show off your knowledge of the law on utube and (I think) want to trap officers and maybe even create your own little lawsuit. Why are you even in Missouri when you don’t live there? How about go to school or get a real job and ….how about just using some common sense? I know that’s in short supply these days. I mean really, why are you openly displaying your weapon in Walmart, or any other public place? Just because you can? Really? How about getting a REAL life!

  • random

    Ok gun owners, you are not being persecuted when someone asks to see your id.

  • Michael Bradley

    You are part of the problem!

  • Thomas A Rodgers

    I have to disagree with you Daniel. First off, the Supreme court has already ruled that no police officer in America is required to a respond to a call, they do obviously, but there are NO obligations for them to. Second, i open and conceal carry all the time here in Utah, even into Walmarts, i have never had to endure anything like this. I have had store management before ask me to not bring a gun into a store before, but for future reference, they actually allowed me to finish my shopping with my sidearm on. The only time you receive these sorts of responses, is when your in a location that has basically been brought up around the concept that guns are bad. Utah luckily is a very gun friendly state, and many people have and carry on a regular basis. There was a guy a couple months ago that open carried a rifle on his back, through a mall, with no issues whatsoever.

  • Thomas A Rodgers

    I agree that someone should not look for issues, but the point is this would have occurred even if they had no intent to record. The fact is, the police should have not responded like this in anyway. They should have simply responded, asked them for their ID, informed them of the law, then asked them to leave.

  • Kim Graves

    Sorry if i see someone who has a gun esp in my state where its illegal i will call the police screw you buddy

  • Michael Bradley

    Again, you are part of the problem. MO. is an open carry state, ya know? Where the STORY took place? I bet you would call the cops, you’re a pussy. If you were in MY STATE, ARIZONA, I am legally able to carry concealed EVEN WITHOUT A LICENSE!! You would be jailed for false swearing, a FELONY. It’s pussy bitches like you that ruin this country. And to think I served 14 years in the Military for tree-hugging pukes like you. John Kerry lover. You make me sick Jane Fonda Jr.

  • mike

    But like the video says if the cops are going to come out and read the riot act about what the laws are in their state their next step should be to go into the establishment and tell the callers about the rights of the people they just called the police on.

  • dougster

    so what did the police officer do wrong here? Guns are not even concealed. this is done one purpose.

  • Omar Ronda

    One of these days I’ll take my MK for open carry purposes!!! I’ll watch them freak out!!!

  • Kim Graves

    I am in nj asshole its people like you that frighten people

  • Kim Graves

    And if i call to report someone carrying a gun in public it is not against the law douche nozzle

  • Michael Bradley

    Well that makes sense. NJ is a shithole. If you think I frighten you over the internet, we should meet in person! Boo!

  • Kim Graves

    Probably got kicked out of the army otherwise why not do the 20?

  • Kim Graves

    I agree nj is a shithole wish i could move, but if you read my comment i said “in nj” learn to read

  • Kim Graves

    If i lived in a carry state i would carry one myself but since i do not i would def call 911

  • Michael Bradley

    Ok. I just learned to read. What part of “in NJ” did I miss? You live in NJ, it’s a shithole, and that explains you and your ignorance towards the 2nd amendment. Tell that fat bastard Christie he sucks dick better than you do, and he’s a guy!

  • Kim Graves

    Nice that someone like you carries a weapon very scary

  • Michael Bradley

    Nice to know that I would be the ONE guy who could stop a deranged black man from killing 13 people if need be. But if you think that is too scary, I would be happy to back out of the way and let the deranged man have at you!

  • Gman

    Research of law by Google and Wikipedia is not research. Just sayin’.

  • Kim Graves

    Racist too! Hmm i didnt see that coming

  • Gman

    Speaking of ignorant, you take the cake, buddy. Yes, in fact they CAN walk into a public place with a visible firearm and have the expectation that anyone “concerned” can go @#$ themselves … that’s why it is called OPEN CARRY. (Duh!) If the citizens of a city, county, or state don’t like it, they have means to petition their respective governments to change the law, but until that happens, open carry in open carry areas IS the law, fool, and I don’t give a DAMN if it *was* a publicity stunt or not. Lawful is lawful. Furthermore, idiot, an officer’s number one priority is NOT to protect people from each other. Don’t believe me? Read Warren v. District of Columbia (1981) SCOTUS decision, if you can even read, of which I have my doubts. A police officer’s duty is to ENFORCE the law (duh! ya know, LAW ENFORCEMENT? DUH!), not prevent unlawful actions. Third, just how the hell do YOU know if the idiot who called Law Enforcement on these kids was, as you put it, “scared”? Do you KNOW the person who called? Were you THERE when they called? Did you SEE the person call and determine their countenance was that of one being scared? I’d bet my left testicle that it was some filthy, liberal, gun-hating, progressive, Obama-worshiping, Constitution-hating, self-righteous d-bag that called, simply to give a supporter of the 2nd Amendment a big hassle. Fourth, the Police Officer did NOT receive any such call, the dispatcher did. DUH! Wow, you’re really pretty stupid, now, aren’t ya. LOL! Idiot.

  • Michael Bradley

    How was that racist? I guess the guy that killed 13 people today is RACIST. Maybe he hated white chicks from NJ and couldn’t find any? Your jibberish is tired young one. I know, I know….First time blogging and you wanted to take it for a ride. Ok! You’re done now. Move along to MSNBC, CNN, CNBC and every other Libtard MSM org.

  • Gman

    LOL! Talking to a filthy, liberal, Obama-worshiping, gun-hating, anti-Constitutionalist, progressive, tree-hugging stupid sub-80 IQ, hippie, peacenik d-bag like Graves is a waste of time … but it sure is funny watching their insipid, filthy Democrat textbook responses that they read straight out of the DNC playbook as if their tired rhetoric actually means something, and it’s even funnier watching people like us dissect, disassemble, then shred their cookie-cutter arguments to bits in a public forum.

  • Gman

    Stay the hell away from open-carry municipalities and states if you hate it so much.

  • Michael Bradley

    Wow! It literally took all day for someone else to comment on this. I thought this little kid was gonna drag this on for days. I need to remind myself of their insecurities. Thanks Gman!

  • Gman

    With regard to “Demanding”, this is the quote from YOU: “If you should decide in your infinite wisdom to refuse to show
    identification when asked you WILL be detained for failure to comply.”, and I was merely stating that unless an officer DEMANDED that you show ID (as long it is a lawful order), you do NOT have to provide one, and your statement that one *could* be detained could only be based on the premise that the request for ID was not merely a request, but a demand, in which this video with the kids, it was not the case. The only other possible context of what you wrote could only result in your being 100% wrong, and not just 50% wrong in your claim. Either way, the best case scenario for your claim is you being 50% wrong, and you being a firearms instructor, is cause for concern. Furthermore, although I agree with you 100% in your assertion that it is probably prudent to just show your damned ID to a police officer upon request, regardless of the circumstances, this prudence is IRRELEVANT. The law is the law, and the law states that unless you are suspected of a crime, you do NOT have to show ID, even when asked, period. Isn’t that the whole crux of the discussion here? Sheesh. Thirdly, I don’t think these kids *caused* anything, like you claim … it was most likely some dopey, anti-gun, Constitution-hating Atheist probably who probably got double-pissed by gun carriers (strike 1) sporting “Jesus” shirts (strike 2) and wanted vengeance by getting the police involved in lawful behavior. C’mon man … think.

  • Gman

    Perhaps not, but you’re still not required to show them one unless you are being detained, of which they can’t do unless they inform you of the statute that you are in suspicion of violating.

  • Gman

    So what if they should or shouldn’t … it’s none of yours or my damned business if someone else chooses to engage in lawful activity regardless of their motivation for doing so. I’m pissed that people like you vote.

  • Gman

    These kids were not the batcrap crazy, gun-hating, Obama-worshiping, sub-80 IQ troglodytes that involved the police. If the police officers missed a more urgent situation because of this, that’s on the caller, not the kids.

  • Gman

    You used a double-negative, but I will go ahead an assume that what you meant was “Every Wal-Mart I have been to has had a ‘No Weapons’ Allowed’ sign posted on all public entry doors”. You obviously have never been in an open-carry municipality and/or state, then.

  • Gman

    Then the owner and/or its management staff has the right to ask you to leave, which in this video, was not the case … some stupid gun-hater tattled, not store management (management *did* in fact, ask one of them to leave only *after* the first officer on-scene arrived).

  • Gman

    Uh … yeah … Hitler tried that .. didn’t work out so well for Germans or Jews, now, did it.

  • Gman

    Wow … you’re another Einstein that probably votes, unfortunately. You do NOT need to show proof that the behavior you are engaging in is lawful behavior, so says the Supreme Court in 1968. Another must show proof, or at least a suspicion that you are in violation of a city, county or state statute. In this case, these kids were violating NONE of the above. What you said is *NOT* the law. The sad part is one or two willingly ignorant, sub-80 IQ dolts might even believe what you’re posting. SMH

  • Gman

    Bravo!

  • Gman

    With all due respect, you didn’t just state your opinion on the matter. You said people are required to obey the request for ID or face detainment. That is an intended statement of fact, not an opinion, and is a fact that is not accurate.

  • Gman

    That’s a pretty dumb idea, Gary. Let’s say Adolf Hitler is running against Mother Theresa for POTUS. All the states other than Massachusetts have Mother Theresa winning by 1,000 in each state. But, in Massachusetts, being the fascist commonwealth that it is, Hitler wins by 50,000 votes. Based on your stupid idea of “popular vote win”, Hitler would win the Presidency by 1,000 votes, even though in 49 out of the 50 of the states, he lost. Do you even see how stupid your idea is? Sheesh. I really hope you don’t have a voter registration card.

  • Gman

    Oh, really? At what point did the officer say he was detaining them? I must’ve missed that. You obviously have no law enforcement, nor legal background, so your profound ignorance is expected.

  • Studious_Citizen

    Yeah, couldn’t possibly be that they want to film what happens so they can use it in their own defense when they get some trumped up charges thrown at them.

  • Studious_Citizen

    There is no state statute in Missouri affirmatively guaranteeing the legality of open carry. It is not *illegal* by state statute, but local county and municipal statutes can outlaw open carry. So Missouri is basically a minefield as far as the legality of open carry goes. That’s why we’re trying to get an affirmative open carry bill introduced in the general assembly, which would immediately invalidate all local bans on open carry.

    Where I live, OC is legal. But you drive a couple minutes one direction and its illegal. You drive a couple minutes the other direction, it’s legal with a CCW permit. You keep driving, it’s legal again. You make a wrong turn and its illegal again. It’s really pretty insane. Hence the need for a state law to establish OC.

  • Studious_Citizen

    http://www.marshfieldmo.gov/images/documents/codebook.pdf

    It appears that Marshfield does not make an exception for concealed carry in accordance with Missouri state law, which supersedes municipal ordinances. So they have declared it illegal, without exception, to carry a firearm or carry a firearm concealed. There’s a strong possibility that anyone charged under the local statute could get the charges thrown out, because the Marshfield municipal code does not distinguish between lawful concealed carry versus unlawful concealed carry.

  • Stephen Rayl

    #1 The officer has the right to check their I.D.’s if their behavior is ‘suspicious’. But not when people are obeying the laws. This guy (the cop) needs to be trained better in what constitutes suspicious behavior. I live about 10 miles from Marshfield and always openly carry my hand-gun and never have been asked to leave a store because of it. The store mgr was wrong in calling the P.D.! He should understand that as a group that they would before likely to be a benefit in case something bad happened. The cop was wrong.

  • Stephen Rayl

    Ron: I can’t even believe your question, you idiot! The 2nd Amendment doesn’t say that they have to follow any of your rules! They have to check to make sure there isn’t a ‘no gun’ policy sticker on the front door and if asked by someone to not come to the store or leave, they do so. Walmart doesn’t need their damn business anyway!
    But to say “they don’t need to be doing that”…what are you 12 years old?

  • ksgirl73

    Honestly, I’ve been pulled over in Missouri before and every time the officer was a complete a**. Unfortunately I think it comes with their training. My dad had this whole theory about how they are part of the southern states and their way of thinking was backwards. I just feel bad that these people were left with such a negative opinion of Missouri. I live in a surrounding state so I can relate. Things are different once you cross that border into Missouri. I have to wonder what happened before the camera was turned on, did anyone approach these girls and ask them to leave with their guns or were the police immediately called? The one guy pointed out there was no sign and it sure didn’t appear that they were doing anything wrong. I would like to think that if a store manager or someone approached them and politely asked them to leave with their guns that they would have done so, but who knows now.

  • scott

    OK Gman,what is your legal background?you see,the moment the cop took their iD and did not allow them to leave of their own free will they were detained.Had they not been detained or stopped,they would have been allowed to leave anytime they wanted too,they could not leave until the power hungry cop allowed them to leave.

    Full Definition of DETAIN
    to hold or keep in or as if in custody (detained by the police for questioning)
    to restrain especially from proceeding (was detained by a flat tire)

  • Deane Bobbit

    Who the eff would bring a weapon into a place where families and children are?! Ever heard of Sandyhook? Aurora shooting ring a bell? The only difference between a gun owner and a mass shooter is that a gun owner hasn’t gotten pissed off yet. You sick fk’s!

  • dmprisk

    What a DICK-COP!

  • Gman

    Not that I give a damn what you think, nor would someone like me ever need, under ANY circumstances, validation by an anonymous internet discussion board participant such as yourself, but I’ll entertain your hostile question as to my credentials (with caveats) after I remind you that we’re on the same pro-2nd Amendment side here: I had a 3.85 GPA, Criminal Justice major, and scored in the 99th percentile on the LSAT. Furthermore, I attended Police Academy under the tutelage of a State-renowned head instructor. During my time at the Academy, I was selected as Class Leader by over 30 of my peers and instructors, and there wasn’t even a second choice, as I was the clear choice. I have, in the past 20 years, worked at several law firms. Now, your credentials? The fact is it’s irrelevant that these naive kids surrendered their identification upon request, and nowhere in the video did the kids either ask if they could leave, ask if they were being detained, nor attempt to leave, nor did the officer state that they were being detained, nor did the officer deny that they could leave, so you have zero basis in your claim that they were “detained”. If you’re at work, and you don’t leave when you want, does that mean your job is “detaining” you? No … you can actually leave whenever the hell you want (you just may not be invited back), just like those kids could have left. Additionally, just because you copy and paste a Webster’s dictionary definition of a word doesn’t mean that you have any idea of what the LEGAL definition of “detain” is. A stop-and-ask by an officer or a deputy sheriff, nor a request for identification, nor your naive surrender (temporary or otherwise) of identification constitutes “detainment”.

  • TJ

    I do not find anything wrong with this video, I think the people filming were disrespectful.

  • Mag44

    Actually, I am pretty sure I know what I am talking about. I believe some individuals have already replied to your comment with the same information that is already known to me.

  • SS82

    Being on the other end of 911 calls, those people don’t know what the complainant said about what was happening. The caller might have made a bigger deal of the issue than it really was and of course PD is going to respond slightly more aggressive to any call involving a gun or any weapon for their safety and everyone elses in the store. PD has right to ask for ID, they run each person and make sure they are clear of warrants and their gun papers are still valid and then they would have been on their way. Instead they’re filming and making it a bigger deal on themselves for their youtube site.

  • scott

    wow,so educated yet a small vocabulary,the insults fly from your mouth like bullshit from Barry,if you watch the video GMAN,you will notice the cop is dumb as you,guy,”did I break the law?”Cop,”I do not know.”Either you know or you don’t,cops think they know the law,they are not lawyers,that is why we have law offices and cops tell you they are not allowed to give legal advice,if they were not being detained,why so were they held for so long,why were their friends asked for ID,why did the cop show such hostility?The word ‘detain’ is defined as confining or keeping in custody for a short period,they were held for a short period while their papers were run,it was not until the supervisor showed up that they were told they could go

  • Toney

    Listen at you Stephen ” needs to be feared”???? He is there to PROTECT & SERVE not to be feared. It seems that law enforcement as a whole wants you to fear them. Law enforcement is supposed to be there for you, not for you to fear. The officer was a smart ass & wanted to cross the line & do things unbecoming of an officer & he would have if those cameras wasnt there.

  • Toney

    I agree, he had a crazy look in his eye also…

  • Toney

    Yes, every call has to be investigated, but you can do it with class & respect. You can clearly tell this cops demenor is weighing on the side of a smart ass bully type. This woman was clearly a law abiding citizen & he is there to protect & serve her & well as the caller. Not bully her or make her feel small. Good thing the cameras were there or he would have been even a bigger dick to them. I think cops need good guy training. So when they run into a situation like this one they will know how to treat the citizen with respect.

  • Nick Roell

    I don’t have any type of criminal record other than traffic tickets, but every encounter ive EVER had with the police has been like this. They jump right into the situation bullying people, being rude, sarcastic and constantly asking for ID, even when I have been the one who calls them!. Its like thats all they know how to do is check ID’s.. BUT I do understand why they check the ID’s of everyone involved or witnessing a situation. My dad was killed in a car accident by a heroin addict that continues to commit crimes and disobey the law daily. He’s been arrested several times because the cops were called on someone else and when he showed his ID, they ran him and found active warrants and arrested him. They run everyone’s ID in order to find active warrants and I totally respect that.

  • Gman

    Funny … you call me “dumb”, yet, you use improper punctuation (when you even bother to use it), you can’t seem to find the space bar on your keyboard, and your grammar is exceptionally shitty. You won’t find me defending the police officer that is highlighted in the video, you filthy d-bag, and those kids had every right that they were exercising and even had some rights that they declined to exercise (such as telling an officer NO when asked for identification), so I’m not getting from where your hostility comes, but one thing *is* clear … you’re a pretty stupid individual, and your arguments are sophomoric and insipid. You still keep insisting that the kids were being “held”, yet, fail to explain where the officer said that they weren’t allowed to leave should they wish. If you can’t, then they weren’t detained, period. The officer showed a great deal of hostility, and overreacted in the situation … you know … kind of like what you’re doing now, you profoundly intellectually deficient douche nozzle LOL!

  • Joel

    What would happen if that same guy walked in to a school with that rifle on his back, would that go unnoticed? A guns sole meaning is to KILL, rather it be for protection or for food so you can’t blame someone for getting a little uneasy when they encounter someone with a gun. If you do carry, carry where it’s not visible, just out of respect for the people that are not so gun friendly. They do exist and their in every state.

  • Matt B

    The people in this video are idiots. With all of the shootings lately, of course people are jittery. And of course someone is going to call the police when 4+ people are walking into a crowded space with loaded guns. And way to mock the police for doing their job. Everyone can abuse their position. Not just police officers. This guy did nothing wrong. What if the Subway employee spit in your food? Why don’t you do a YouTube Video for Subway employees who spit in peoples food?

    If you were an officer, received a call from a store stating that 4 or more people are carrying loaded guns, could you please come check it out, how do you think the officer should respond? No response? Maybe he could skip around all happy. Do you know how many idiots are out there that would love to shoot an officer? Would you rather have no police? They are suspicious for a reason, but apparently you’re too stupid to see that. You’d rather just get others in trouble to feel good about how stupid you actually are. Poor way to justify your point. Carry a gun, be proud you’re carrying a gun. But also remember you aren’t the only person in this world. Stop being so self centered and stupid. Conceal the weapon. What if the person who called the police lost a kid in Sandy Hook? Was that person still wrong for calling? You people don’t think what your actions do.

    Use that thing 3 feet from your ass.

  • Michael

    While yes Missouri has an Open Carry law, it also needs to be understood that a business may ask someone openly carrying a firearm to leave the premises. It doesn’t have to be posted by the business, and if they feel that the firearms are causing nervousness among their patrons and/or employees they can ask the person with the firearms to leave the premises. That is what happened in this case. The first young man that appears in the video had complied with the request for him to take his sidearm to his vehicle. He was told that if he did that he could return to the store. The girls did not comply with the request and were then told to leave the premises and not return. Again they refused. Thats when the Marshfield PD were called. The girls could have been arrested and charged for trespassing, but were not. The Marshfield PD responded properly to the call, and were extremely nice under the circumstances. I stand by the fact that these children were doing nothing but trying to put officers in a compromising position. The fact that their video is edited to start when the Officers arrived at the location is a testament to that fact. By pulling this childish act they put themselves and everyone around them in harms way.

  • Donald Ingram

    The cop had an attitude problem. The way he approached the individuals was all wrong. But hey! if no one complains, he will continue to do so.

  • Donald Ingram

    I don’t, he had an attitude problem. He needs to show a little more respect to the public. They were not breaking any laws.

  • Tom K.

    Could Police Training Catch up with the rapidly expanding Concealed and Open carry of Firearms by Law Abiding Citizens ? OR is this lack of update training being perpetuated for some corrupt agenda ? Look at the wasted resources during this call. And WHERE is the complainant ?

  • Tom K.

    @ Toney: The Officer was stressed because he didn’t like being on camera – wasn’t sure what HIS boundries were – his blood pressure was up – his eyes were bulging and he hardly even blinked.

  • Anonymous Patriot

    —First, entering a business of any type with a weapon visible will always
    bring some suspicion out in people. Just because you may be a law
    abiding carrier doesn’t mean every person who open carries is also
    exercising the right.—-

    Yes, because criminals ALWAYS carry their weapons in clear view, holstered and safe. How silly of me to forget this.

    And that is the key; “Law abiding”. These women were not waving their guns, they weren’t touching them or making threats. They were just going about their day lawfully. Everyday people drive to work and are NOT randomly stopped and asked to PROVE they have the appropriate privilege to drive a car. No, drivers are only stopped (usually) if they have broken a law, therefore STOPPED being law abiding.

    Perhaps we should start calling the police on every driver on the road. “Officer, I am scared there is someone driving a CAR, can you believe it a CAR!!!!!!! near me and I am just not sure if they have plans to plow into a school crossing zone full of kids, or drive through a playground, or run down a hot dog vendor on the sidewalk. Please, PLEASE HURRY AND DEMAND THEIR ID!!!!!!!!”

    Ridiculous.

    This is the result of indoctrination of the populace, guns are bad, anyone that carries a gun (except those public servants we deem worthy to watch over and protect us) is therefore bad. Anyone with a gun MUST be out to commit a crime despite the fact that guns are involved in the smallest percentage of crime. Tell you what, I see a person with a gun in a holster and I feel safe. I see a guy with a baseball bat, and I am worried. But I guess I missed my “re-education meeting”, I am sure the government handlers will show up soon to instruct me on my errors.

  • Roy P. Morris

    The first mistake the officer made was showing up at all. What people don’t seem to realize is that unless a crime has been committed the officer has no right to question them at all. He kept telling them that he didn’t know if a crime had been committed or not.

  • Terry Lee

    That is illegal, so they would go to jail. Schools are gun free zones (well except for criminals who do not obey the laws and come in an unarmed school to kill people). Know the laws before you comment on them. People’s lack of knowledge on the law and Constitution is not my problem. I cannot be responsible for the rampant ignorance of these people.

  • DaveO

    Oh if a business can ask to leave you should, even if you haven’t done anything wrong, unless if your are gay and demand they do business with you? If not you end up in court with legal bills so bad you are out of business. Liberal thinking at it’s finest.

  • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

    Please do not let the states get together regarding 2nd Amendment rights. With the vast numbers of antii-gun activists among the politicians they would be sneaking in innumerable little paragraphs to take away all our rights. If you think Obamacare was a big bill wait until you seen one carrying the consolidated thoughts of politicians on gun CONTROL, in 50 states. I would say you would be looking at 100,000 pages, minimum.

  • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

    Wish Texas would secede, I would move there just to get away from the liberals who run New Jersey.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002839359789 William Mdcannold Jr.

    From MO: The police are indoctrinated to believe that they are the only competent, qualified to carry a firearm. To hell with the law. We need organized citizens who are prepared to sue the crap out of municipalities, counties and/or states when they are ILLEGALLY confronted and commanded to comply with ILLEGAL orders. I was at Home Depot recently. There was a black man checking out ahead of me and he was openly carrying a holstered Glock. He was between 25 and 30, clean cut, dressed in workman’s clothing and buying home construction products. I did not recoil into a knee-jerk fit of paranoia. Common sense instantly told me that he was carrying legally – and that only an abject idiot would carry openly were he/she intending to rob or shoot up the place. The man’s demeanor was entirely normal. But I’ve had many years of experience with arms. Those who have not and are otherwise abjectly ignorant are far, far too common. The armed and responsible citizenry owes themselves to provide a public education effort regarding citizen firearms rights and the law. We can’t simply leave all of the job to the NRA and similar groups. Let someone else do it just ain’t gettin’ it ! We owe it to ourselves in particular to tell the truth about the media.

  • lokiswife

    There are too many people in this country who freak out when they see someone carrying a gun because of all the shootings. The lesson is to keep it concealed until you need to use it. That was the problem at Starbucks, when they allowed guns in the stores, idiots showed off their guns and freaked customers out. Then the anti-gunners started picketing the place and between the two groups, they were driving customers away. Keep it concealed, keep quiet about carrying a gun and go about your business. It’s called “unknown security” – you don’t know it’s there until it’s needed….There are some really nice purses for women that have a special, easy access compartment for a pistol. One brand is “Pistol Packin’ Mama” purses. They look like ordinary leather purses, but they carry a rude surprise for thugs!

  • DaveO

    A permit to carry is an INFRINGEMENT

  • dave

    To further clarify the above point , a municipal law cannot superceed a federal law or a state law that is grounded in the United States constitution!

  • dave

    In situations like that the federal should trump all local laws because it would be impossible for a passer by who goes into a local walmart to pick up food for their journey to know local laws from one municipality to another! Besides if a local law says no guns allowed then they are indirect violation of the 2nd amendment which guarntees American citizens the right to bear arms PERIOD!! .

  • Jeff Kline

    I can see several opinions in here that reflect the “Anarchists” view of no laws at all on this. This is not something that I agree with. You must have limited government and some laws are legitimate. Criminals who have committed heinous crimes are not worthy of being allowed to have a firearm. Sorry; your point is moot.

  • chip

    you dont have to provide id if you havent broken any laws

  • chip

    well its good to video to show the arrogance just like this cop.. he was on a power trip,, not the kids, they were minding their own doing nothing wrong

  • scot sims

    Amazing that the officers were doing their job and everyone has a hissy. People are reading into it what they want. They don’t realize each state, city, etc. has the right to enact their own laws? A business or a citizen has the Constitutional right to call the police if they see a suspicious act. A group of 22 year olds would set off alarms for me. Said group is promoting their web site. If someone did not produce any form of state ID I’d be suspicious. Passports can be forged, right?

    Finally the town in Missouri is on a major drug route. That doesn’t ring any alarms?

    It’s also amazing all you people make claims of what great Americans/patriots you this is how you talk about one of our everyday heros.

    I’d go on but this whole thing is disgusting. Especially comingb from this bunch of pukes.

  • scot sims

    They’re promoting their website.

  • Gman

    A traffic stop occurs when an officer has reasonable suspicion that you have broken the law (there isn’t a study out there that doesn’t prove that all you have to do to witness a driver violate a city/county ordinance or State statute is follow them for a mile), and thus, is a disqualifying element with regard to this entire thread. Furthermore, I have acknowledged more than once in other posts on this thread that an officer/deputy may compel you to produce identification if you are in a vehicle, whether you are suspected of committing a crime/violation or not, and your acceptance of a drivers’ license constitutes your consent to many things that would be otherwise invasive, such as a breathalyzer test, sobriety test, and the surrender of your license upon request. Your entire argument in the above post is a non-sequitur. An officer/deputy shall NOT detain a person if they are not reasonably suspected of committing a crime/violation, period, but I’ve already said that, and I suppose some people just don’t want to hear the truth, no matter how many different ways it is explained. SMH. The kids could have said to that officer, “Sorry for wasting your time, officer. These people don’t want us here, so we are leaving. Good day”, and then walked off into the sunset, and there isn’t a damned lawful thing that officer could have done to stop them.

  • mogul264

    In some defense of the police, understand the people with whom they usually deal are mostly the scum of the earth, doing illegal things to themselves and/or others, and sometimes hysterical victims with wild stories that may make sense only to themselves, and which may or may not be true!

    With that in mind, I NEVER sass a policeman. I assume he is doing his job to the best of his ability, until he demonstrates otherwise! This means I do not smile, showing I’m serious, i DO NOT tell jokes! I pay attention to exactly what he says, and answer correctly all pertinent questions, UNLESS I feel they may be a breach of my rights. If so, I will state this, RESPECTFULLY!

    Of course, i ALSO get all the pertinent information. I get his full name, rank, and badge number, the locations and times involved, and all observers names and phone numbers, if possible! BTW, filming a policeman IN THE PUBLIC sector is NOT illegal!

  • marcdepiolenc

    Sorry, Joel, but I don’t have any obligation to “show respect” for nervous Nellies who just assume I’m a criminal because I’m armed. They have to get over it. My right is my right; it is not subject to curtailment to coddle their irrational fears.

  • Steel Indigo

    Please folks look up case law of the Supreme Court in regard to the 2nd Amendment. States have Constitutions as well and none of them included the 2nd Amendment in them. Others were included and because of this and state rights they can make laws in regard to gun control at the state levels. Look it up because the Supreme Court has made decisions based on cases in court that go back to when the 2nd Amendment was first put into law and made decisions about it. They barred the Federal government from doing much as far as laws concerning guns but not so for the states. I looked it all up. These people have to look to the laws of their state and the city ordinances because it won’t exactly always hold up if arrested and they base their actions on the 2nd Amendment because of legal precedent. Citing the Federal law which usually supersedes the state is not viable in this particular case.

  • Steel Indigo

    Actually they might have been breaking the law. The Supreme Court has ruled on this and especially because the 2nd Amendment was not included in most state Constitutions. Even though most Federal law supersedes state, in the case of the 2nd Amendment it does not according to the Supreme Court. Therefore, they have to obey state laws and city ordinances in reference to gun carrying. Look it up folks…I did awhile back when everyone was going on about the 2nd Amendment.

  • Steel Indigo

    This depends solely on the individual states.

  • Steel Indigo

    The Supreme Court has ruled on this after extensive research that the states can decide the laws about carrying concealed or unconcealed and make gun control laws. Look it up because the State Constitutions adopted most of the amendments but they did not add in the 2nd Amendment and in this case the Federal 2nd Amendment does not apply at the state level according to the Supreme Court. They went back to case law in the time of the enactment of the 2nd Amendment. Therefore, a discussion on this topic is sort of moot because each state will be different. It was decided in the Supreme Court so these people can be arrested if they broke state or city laws by walking into any store with a sidearm concealed or unconcealed if the state or city does not allow it.

  • Steel Indigo

    In most cases true, but in the case of the 2nd Amendment the states are allowed to legislate on gun carrying and owning. It was decided by the Supreme Court because the states did not include the 2nd Amendment in their Constitutions. Therefore if the state allows cities and counties to also create laws in regard to guns it is legal because the Supreme Court made a legal decision on this.

  • Jeff Kline

    Yes; this is true. In fact, if memory serves, Missouri is a “Constitutional Carry” state where they localize the 2nd amendment and do not require a permit to carry or buy if you are a Missouri state citizen. My C&C is legal there anyway but I have family there in the KC area and out in Sedalia.

  • Steel Indigo

    Not in the case of the 2nd Amendment according to the Supreme Court. They made a decision on this after a lot of research and the states can decide this because of the 2nd Amendment being excluded from their Constitutions and the research they did in case law back to when the 2nd Amendment was written. In this instance the federal does not supersede the state in all cases. Look it up. I did when everyone was arguing about creating gun laws. People just don’t know this for some reason and didn’t look into the Supreme Court’s decision on the 2nd Amendment. It is only at the Federal level that they are limited to what restrictions they can make. The states or cities if allowed by the individual state, can decide if they will not allow carrying of guns into a business except by law enforcement.

  • Steel Indigo

    Usually in most instances but not in the case of the 2nd Amendment according to the Supreme Court.

  • Steel Indigo

    But it is legal for them to do a lot of things in regard to gun ownership and carrying openly or concealed. The Supreme Court ruled on this. If the state allows laws to be created at county or city levels then it is legal. The 2nd Amendment has been challenged in court many times, including the Supreme Court. They did a study back to when it was enacted and read writings of those who created the amendment and ruled. One of the things they stated was because the states did not included the 2nd Amendment in their Constitutions but did include most others that there was a precedent set in the beginning that the states could create laws concerning guns. They did that in the past long before even the 20th Century. Look up the Supreme Court’s decision on the 2nd Amendment in regard to the states. In this case it does not supersede most state laws because of the nature of this particular amendment and the state constitutions.

  • Steel Indigo

    In the case of the 2nd Amendment, it does NOT…check the Supreme Court’s decision on this.

  • Steel Indigo

    It is more complex than just citing an Amendment. The Supreme Court made a decision on the 2nd Amendment after careful research. The states have Constitutions as well and there are sovereignty rules. They did not include this particular amendment in their constitutions. It applies on a Federal level but not entirely on the state levels. They can enact laws in each state. The Supreme Court did extensive research into court actions clear back to the time they enacted this Amendment and read written documents concerning it by the creators of the amendment and their intentions and decided that even though it is in the Constitution that the states have the right to legislate on it legally. It is only at the Federal level they are limited and that is because it was put in there in case the government they started didn’t work out and they wanted to form militias and bear arms legally to start over in case of corruption etc. Please look it up. The states can make laws about guns and if they allow it the counties and cities, etc. It will be different by state. It is perfectly legal according to the Supreme Court. I don’t remember if there were any limitations beyond that for the states but you can look it up on your own as I did. In this particular case they decided that the Federal view does not supersede the state because for one reason as I mentioned it was not included in state Constitutions.

  • Steel Indigo

    That is not legal. There are documents that were signed by Texas at the end of the Civil War so they cannot do whatever they want. One they are NOT allowed to secede from the union. This was one of the restrictions. Whoever told you this was wrong. They can however legislate on guns because of a Supreme Court decision that says that was the view of those who created the Amendment. It was not included in state constitutions and was upheld as their right clear back to the time period it was enacted. The Federal government is limited on legislating controls because it was put in there for the protection of the people in case of a corrupt federal government. Remember at the time they had to over throw the English and it was in there so those in charge couldn’t make it illegal to form militias and carry guns.

  • Steel Indigo

    It is illegal to attempt to secede since the end of the Civil War. This was an agreement when the South lost the war. Being a Democrat does not make someone a liberal. There are three many types of them. Look up what the true meaning of liberalism is. People are too hung up on party tug of wars and it has spread to Washington and now people can see what happens when party lines override common sense.

  • David Bocchino

    Well, no, the cops weren’t “doing their job.” There was no probable cause for the cop to stop anyone carrying openly. The fact that certain idiots are scared of guns is not probable cause and not a reason to ask for ID or detain anyone. There is nothing suspicious about open carry and the cops should simply tell the callers that unless the carriers are engaging in some criminal activity they are simply engaging in their rights as citizens and there is no need to be alarmed. I’m sure as hell glad my 2nd Amendment rights don’t depend on your munificence. No, passports cannot be forged, at least not nearly as easily as an id. You’re right. Your post is disgusting.

  • Jerry

    These girls had every right to tell this cop off… He had no right to even ask for any ID’s! They did not commit no crime and was not suspected of any crime! They allowed this officer to destroy there rights! They could have just walked away and say I dont feel safe talking to you officer. And according to laws… The officer would”HAVE” to let them walk away freely.

  • Jerry

    Hasn’t anyone seen how the cops are starting to treat the citizens lately?? I honestly do not feel safe when I am around cops. They carry guns and use them unjustly! I believe we need guns to keep us safe from those that should be protecting us.

  • Steel Indigo

    Whether they are obligated to or not in the case of guns they will. There have been too many killing sprees in this country and lawsuits because of them for them to not take action. It boils down to safe rather than sorry. They cannot determine in an office whether legal or not to carry the guns if these people are law abiding or not without going out and checking. I think he went a little overboard. All he had to do is tell them there was a sign posted somewhere or so as not to scare others in the store that have rights as well for them to put them in their car and come back inside if they wished to continue shopping. If they wouldn’t then they had no concern for the public and were just grandstanding for attention.

  • David Bocchino

    Well, yes we are. If we are not otherwise doing anything wrong and open carry is legal where we are, asking to see our ID is not permissible. Open carry laws specifically state that the act of carrying openly is not probable cause or reasonable suspicion to detain that person. So, you’re wrong.

  • David Bocchino

    Anyone who wants to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, that’s who. You’re an idiot and I’m sure as shit glad my 2nd Amendment rights aren’t dependent on your discretion. You are obviously someone who does not own guns and are scared of them. Get over it. The rest of us have rights that you cannot infringe because you are afraid. Again, get over it.

  • David Bocchino

    Yes, no response. Unless they were trespassing, there was no reason to ask for their ids. The cops and dispatchers need better training to be taught that open carry is legal and to respond to callers about open carry that the people are not breaking any laws. Yes, no response in this case would have been the appropriate thing to do.

  • GWWhite

    Thanks to our police officers who do difficult tasks in spite of challenges. I assume that people who have open carry permits are happy to show them when asked. It’s dangerous to assume that anyone carrying a gun openly has innocent intentions. “Trust, but verify.”

  • Mindy McWhorter Brennan

    I have NO PROBLEM with her having her gun on her hip , Thank God its not in the wrong hands .

  • scot sims

    You’re wrong.

  • Mike Jessie

    Tell that to Chicago where the Illinois State Supreme court overturned chicago gun laws in favor of the US 2nd amendment.

  • Barry Howell

    Jeff? You must have watched a different video than the one above, because none of your “points” describe a group of young LADIES openly carrying their legally registered firearms on group shopping trip. This video sadly illustrates the aggressively paranoid “bully” attitude that some parts of law enforcement have grown to conduct themselves, and there’s no excuse for it. You don’t treat common citizens with legally registered firearms that are openly displayed in full public view as if they were suspicious criminals, just because they aren’t COPS. Police officers are NOT the only people who are allowed to carry firearms in public, and criminals don’t do that anyway. The “bad guys” HIDE their weapons so nobody knows they have them, while law-abiding citizens carry their weapons in full public view as a protective warning against any bad guy that might try to harm them. Common sense.

  • BillnCara Elrod

    This is crap. If you watch part 2 when the Chief shows up its obvious these Officers are not Anit gun nuts. Crap like this is unfair and dis honest.

  • bepinore

    Officer Dickhead (you know, the one with the crazed pit bull look (my apologies to pit bulls)), needs to get his ‘roid rage under control. I find it kind of comical but extremely sad the way he fondled the girls’ drivers’ licenses with his 99-cent pair of garden gloves.

  • JOEY

    Name for the case please?

  • ArmedAmerican

    Assholes and cameras…..cant stand any of them regardless of their point.

  • ArmedAmerican

    Seconded.
    These idiots are making an issue that doesnt need to make. All they do is go around provoking cops and wasting law enforcement time and recources

  • ArmedAmerican

    ACtually David once the COPS ARE CALLEd with a ‘man with a gun’ call (or woman) they DO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY to INVESTIGATE
    The ONLY persons in the wrong here is the axxrods who CALLED the cops.

  • ArmedAmerican

    Wrong.
    Some state laws REQUIRE you to show ID when a LEO ASKS for it.
    What are you hiding that you cant show your ID to a cop?

  • ArmedAmerican

    Wrong.
    A CALL was made to the PD. They have a RESPONSIBILITY to INVESTIGATE a ‘man (or woman) with a gun’ call, son.
    Funny thing is that if they DIDNT respond and investigate and the person ended up being an actual shooter your sort would be btching that they didnt do their damned jobs.

  • Land of the what?

    Very well written, long, drawn out response. Completely negated by the fact that however costly litigation may be, painting a few letters on a door, isn’t. If you don’t want firearms on your property, make it known.

  • Land of the what?

    Maybe they should move to a state that isn’t covered by the Constitution then, oh…that’s right, they all are.

  • Land of the what?

    Be sure and read this whole pathetic paragraph to the person that bust a cap in your ass, and there are no citizens around allowed to legally carry a weapon to protect you, thanks to the “supreme” court that you seem to value so much. I’m sure they won’t kill you then. =)

  • Phil Bowdren

    Rick, as a retired Philadelphia Police Officer (29 years) I personally see no problem stopping someone and verifying if they are legally carrying a firearm. Better safe than sorry. If you are legit why do you care, you’ll be on your way in a few minutes. In light of all of the tragic incidents recently I don’t believe its asking to much to insure everyone eles safety.

  • Death ToTruthers

    Wish these girls had been a bit more insistent on their rights. Even out here in Commiefornia, we have a right not to identify ourselves to cops. I always say no when they ask. Drives ‘em nuts. Maybe the law is different in MO, but this cop was going overboard and I would have liked to see them call him on it.

  • John McKinney

    If I was this group I would never by my guns or AMMO at Wal mart ever again they sell you the stuff then call the law when you enter their stores with a weapon on your side in clear site. you are not the people they need to worry about

  • Alexander the Great

    First of all, who would really think that criminals and assasins care a bit about regulations about carrying or not, I mean, criminals usually don’t show they “arsenal” and some times even with a gun is late to respond to them, second, I would like to know what happened to this Gestapo Style “Officer” he looks like kinda person(??????) who treats everyone (with or without guns) the same way!!!!

  • Sandra Johnson

    They are a little “backwoods” in this area…I live 25 minutes away from Marshfield & never heard a word! If people would just ask” Do you have a permit” they’d be glad to show you. Someone with ill intent plan on having a gun in hand not in a holster! For Pete’s sake!!

  • adam

    And that’s the problem with our system. Corporate interests come before the protection of innocent citizens. In our country, it didn’t used to be this way. This is tyranny pure and simple.

  • adam

    That’s not the definition of a right. You don’t get it do you? Do you know how our country came to be? How you came to be born in a ‘free’ country? It happened because citizens recognized governmental tyranny, and kicked them out. You say that the gun’s sole meaning is to kill, yet the sole purpose for the 2nd amendment is to PROTECT, and DEFER government from being too tyrannical. You cannot grasp this concept because society does not teach it. We cannot violate the human rights of a person because of ‘potential dangers’. Wake up young one, learn the truth about things.

  • cutglass57

    I have no problem with open carry. I never said don’t practice open carry. What I said quite clearly is that if you do then stand by to put up with a ton of shit. If you want to deal with stupid, uninformed gun illiterate people and cops who don’t know the gun laws of their own jurisdicitons then open carry. If you carry concealed you’ll never deal with an ounce of this crap. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW???

  • Brian Sleider

    Nicer than I would have been to that shit cop. “did I do something wrong?” “Im not sure yet, give me your ID”. Sorry that doesn’t fly. I like the “Why are you filming me” Because we have a right to to insure you do your job right.

  • Yooge

    So you’re intentionally (as stated by the guy in the video) going around filming police officers wasting their time on people like you because you want to test their knowledge of the second amendment?!?!? Get a life! He did nothing wrong in this video. He was called out by someone because they were concerned about the gun. Who wouldn’t be??? Jesus! He did exactly what he should do in a situation like this where he doesn’t know you and you don’t even live there! You just show up a state and wear your weapon around like a rebel without a cause so you can film people supposedly harass you, which you failed at because it didn’t happen! Go home and stop wasting our money and our time.

  • Yooge

    So you’re intentionally (as stated by the guy in the video) going around
    filming police officers wasting their time on people like you because
    you want to test their knowledge of the second amendment?!?!? Get a
    life! He did nothing wrong in this video. He was called out by someone
    because they were concerned about the gun. Who wouldn’t be??? He did exactly what he should do in a situation like this where he
    doesn’t know you and you don’t even live there! You just show up a
    state and wear your weapon around like a rebel without a cause so you
    can film people supposedly harass you, which you failed at because it
    didn’t happen! Go home and stop wasting our money and our time.

  • Yooge

    Totally agree. What a waste of time and tax payer money!

  • Marilyn Z

    I have ridden. with cops and the norm with them is BAD guys. They know how to deal with them,just not the good guys. Kind of sad in a way

    In OK they have open carry, here in Texas we do not, I don’t know what the law is in Missouri, but if they don’t have open carry there, these kids were in the wrong and there is no reason to push the fact. Someone once told me that you cannot even have a concealed gun in your car while traveling thru Kansas although I have never double checked that. We don’t travel without a gun hidden in the car so I just hold my breath thru Kansas.

    This officer really didn’t know what he should do and I loved the way he kept moving them from place to place while he bought time.

    So what was the final outcome? Was anyone taken off to jail? Looked a like a group of clean cut kids to me. Don’t blame them for documenting, but that sure was pushing the cop’s buttons.

  • Deane Bobbit

    You still have a duty to the public when you bring your overgrown-five-year-old toys out into the streets not to cause a panic or to endanger other citizens, which you probably do judging on the new reports concerning how totally without intelligence the average gun owner is. Basically my reaction to seeing you around a public area will be to tackle you down and beat your ass, and then explain to the cops that I felt that I was under reasonable fear of my life and for those around me. eff you!

  • Habakkuk21

    The smarmy caption saying “Show me your papers” libels a decent cop doing his job. You miss the most obvious point: HE NEVER REQUESTED THAT THEY DISARM! Are you such an absolute bigot that you cannot discriminate between a legitimate request for identification and repression? SHAME! SHAME!

  • Daniel

    They went out with the intent of walking together as a gang in order to get someone to call the police so they could tape his reaction. That rarely happens. In fact. The only time I ever see more than two or three OCs together they are jerks being all overt about their rights, crass to other people, and cameras ready in order to protect “thur rights.” And I say this as a carrier. People are dicks sometimes, I just say yes sir and move along. I have no idea what other people are doing to have so many run-ins with police.

  • David Bocchino

    That’s hilarious! Thanks for the laugh. I see you approaching me to tackle me, I shoot you and tell the cops I was in fear for my life. You’ll be dead. Bad idea to come after me Skippy.

  • David Bocchino

    Yeah, but I’ll try to ignore you anyway, you fucking tool.

  • scot sims

    Intelligent comment from the subnormal.

  • Deane Bobbit

    So what you are saying is that you will be walking around, just like the shooter in the LA airport on public streets with a loaded AR15 shotgun ready to kill at the first opportunity. Definitely reporting your posts right now to the authorities.

  • David Bocchino

    I’ll type slow so maybe you can understand this. If I’m in a place that allows open carry, I can and will do so. If that induces you to piss your panties, that’s your problem, not mine. There’s no danger to anyone from me carrying openly, except you if you decide to come after me as you describe above. I wouldn’t need to the gun to stop you, but hitting people sometimes hurts the body part with which you hit them, so I’ll likely just shoot your stupid ass for trying to tackle me. A loaded AR15 shotgun? Really? You don’t have any idea how dumb that statement is, do you?

  • Deane Bobbit

    So do you also listen to Alex Jones, etc… like the “Tea Party Patriot” who was so angry with the TSA at the LAX Airport yesterday? Why do all of you conservo-fascist gun owning traitors all sound so angry all the time? Some chemical imbalance that makes you snap and destroy everything around you? I’m trying to understand the urge you all seem to get to focus your rage against non gunowners such as children.

  • David Bocchino

    I don’t know who Alex Jones is and I’m not angry at all. I’m amused and am wondering why you gun-grabbing libturds, who only want to recognize the parts of the Constitution that fit your agenda, advocate violence against peaceful, law-abiding gun carriers and then get upset when we promise to stand up to you and/or kick your ass? That’s bullying and control-freak/BPD behavior. Talk about facist! To my further amusement, you latch on to the LAX guy like he represents the Tea Party. If that’s so, then the Boston Bombers, the Fort Hood Shooter, the Columbine shooters, the Aurora shooter, the Newtown shooter, and the VA Tech shooter all represent liberal democrats, right? All registered Democrats and liberals. The Aurora guy was an Obama campaign staff worker and Occupy Wall Street participant, The Newtown shooter hated Christians. The VA Tech shooter sent hate mail to GW Bush. The Ft. Hood shooter was registered Democrat, a radicalized Muslim and known to Army intelligence to be communicating with radical Muslim clerics but political correctness prevented his being kicked out of the Army. Why did they all focus their rage against this country? Scratch a liberal and you get an out of control BPD/control freak fascist wanna-be who can’t handle his guns. I’m still laughing about the AR-15 shotgun thing too. You can’t be real. You have got to be an NRA plant designed to make gun-grabbers look like idiots.

  • Deane Bobbit

    The LAX shooter DOES represent the Tea Party, just as the Terror Taliban Teabaggers in Congress represent the Tea Party. You all seem to be right wing extremists that normal people are not safe around, and every time a mass shooting event occurs, it proves it a little more. Besides, where in the Constitution does it state that average citizens should be allowed to carry around military grade killing machines for their hobby? Get over it, and please stop killing innocent people.

  • David Bocchino

    So that means you libturds own all the rest of them as I described above? Wow, pretty sick bastard aren’t you? All those mass shootings by liberals and you blame right-wing extremists…#delusional. I won’t discuss what the Constitution says with you because you aren’t well-versed in the subject. I won’t shoot an unarmed man in an intellectual gunfight. Go read Heller and its progeny, including MacDonald, and get back to me. The more you write the more I’m convinced you’re an NRA plant…”military grade killing machines.” You’re making me laugh so hard I’m crying. And tell all your libturd friends to stop killing people like they did in Boston, Aurora, DC, Columbine, Ft. Hood, Newtown, etc…

  • Deane Bobbit

    Each and every mass shooting has been conducted by conservo-fascists such as yourself. And in D.C. v Heller, Justice Scalia himself states that gun rights are a fundamental right, however like the First Amendment, the Second Amendment may be limited in the interests of the safety of the public. We do not live in Somalia, a vacuum with no rules. Please stop shooting us when you finally do snap.

  • David Bocchino

    I outlined the political leanings of various mass shooters in a previous post. I know you don’t want to acknowledge it but they were all Democrats. Facts are hard things to overcome aren’t they? Own it, bitch. Deliberate obtuseness such as yours makes it impossible to have a reasonable discussion. The 2nd Amendment has been plenty limited. No one is walking around in public with the “military grade killing machines” you seem to think we have. Please stop trying to take away my guns because you are a pussy.

  • Deane Bobbit

    Right, but you, especially being one of them 1) have a biased interest in throwing off suspicion from the group of right wing terrorists that you represent, and 2) pretty much just spout what you hear on Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and fox news, which also do not tell the truth. Basically, none of these friends of yours that conducted these mass shootings were from the left because 1) most of the people they have been targeting are democrats and 2) Progressives don’t own guns.
    Don’t worry, though we will take care of business after the 2014 midterms when your kind will be separated out and your precious toys taken from you, as AR 15 shotguns and such will then be against the law to own. And you can all thank your hero the Canadian Ted Cruz for pushing political dialogue too far to the extreme right. Please pass along to your friends in the Birch Society.
    P.S. Watch out for black helicopters and Agenda 21 FEMA camps, Oathkeeper!

  • David Bocchino

    OMG, stop! I’m going to piss my pants from laughing so hard! There you go with the AR 15 shotguns again. It’s time for you to confess to being a plant. I love how you ignore facts that are inconvenient for your argument. I won’t dignify your idiocy except to say that these are facts that were reported in the media wing of the dumbocrat party, so don’t lay blame with Rush or Glenn Beck (neither of whom I listen to or watch.) It’s so hard for you believe that a free man can think for himself and come to his own conclusions isn’t it? Mass shooters are mostly just mentally disturbed but since you seem intent on laying blame on their political leanings I just wanted to set the record straight for you. As to what’s going to happen after the midterms, good luck getting my weapons, Skippy. What happens in a free society is that men like me resist tyranny. Going to separate my kind out are you? Maybe send us for reeducation, Chaiman Mao?

  • Deane Bobbit

    The simple fact is that since 2009 mass shootings have tripled. Many of the shooters have been mentally defective, but the corporate media has glossed over the fact that many of them were ardent followers of right wing radio and television. Additionally, in over 80% of the cases, the shooters were ‘responsible gun enthusiasts’ before becoming mass murderers. Owning weapons makes republicans more likely to become involved in a road rage incident, more likely to murder a relative and more likely to shoot someone they dislike. You have a mental illness, and we will make you safe for the rest of society by doing the Constitutional thing and taking your semi-automatic weapons of death away and leaving you your other less dangerous weapons. Assault weapon ban coming in 2014 after we take the House.

  • David Bocchino

    “I outlined the political leanings of various mass shooters in a previous post. I know you don’t want to acknowledge it but they were all Democrats. Facts are hard things to overcome aren’t they? Own it, bitch.” My only mental illness is that I keep responding to your stupid ass; and good luck with that taking away my guns thing. Semi-auto weapons aren’t going anywhere but keep living in that la-la land where that happens and you get to make decisions for me.

  • Deane Bobbit

    Keep deluding yourself. See you in 2014. And please run Ted Cruz for president.

  • David Bocchino

    I deal in facts, Junior. No knife control huh? Hypocrite. So you don’t care about lives, you just hate guns. And please run Hillary for president.

  • Deane Bobbit

    Fact: LAX shooter politically motivated by anti-government propaganda and hate AM radio. Fact, right wing homegrown terror is a greater threat to homeland security than muslim extremism. But then they are just about the same thing. Fact, almost all mass shooters were ‘responsible gun enthusiasts’ until they weren’t anymore and were able to get ahold of their guns either legally on their own or through relatives. Fact, owning a gun makes you 4 times more likely to kill someone you know due to uncontrolled rage.

  • David Bocchino

    Can’t argue with facts Skippy. Smoke this shit in your gun confiscation pipe.

    In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States.

    In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States, who later died from the wound.

    In 1963 a radical left wing socialist/communist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States.

    In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States.

    In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States.

    In 1984 James Huberty, a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.

    In 1986 Patrick Sherril a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.

    In 1990 James Pough a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.

    In 1991 George Hennard a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 23 people in a Lubys cafeteria.

    In 1995 James Daniel Simpson a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 5 co-workers in a Texas laboratory.

    In 1999 Larry Asbrook a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 8 people at a church service.

    In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the U.S.

    In 2003 Douglas Williams a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 7 people at a
    Lockheed Martin plant.

    In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others at a political rally in Arizona.

    In 2011 a Democrat who worked on President Obama’s campaign named
    James Holmes went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.

    In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 7
    people in Minneapolis.

    In 2013 a Democrat named Adam Lanza shot and killed 26 people in a school.

    In 2013 a registered Democrat shot up the Washington Navy Yard.

    I could go on. Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns.

    SOLUTION: It should be illegal for Democrats to own guns, lol. Step right up and turn them in Deane boy, if you’re not too scared to touch them. Again, in 2011 more people were killed by knives than by rifles (semi-auto and single action) and shotguns. Why are you not screaming for knife control? I’ll answer for you: you hate guns and want to take them away from us sane, law-abiding citizens whose Constitution prevents the government from infringing on our inherent right to own them. You are a simple-minded pussy fascist who wants to control other people and what they do. Go play marbles in traffic.

  • Deane Bobbit

    You are retarded. And you are now on our list.

  • David Bocchino

    I’m terribly a’feared, lol. Bring it.

  • David Bocchino

    I’m so skeered…NOT. Bring it.

    Oh, and just for good measure, here’s some info on the LAX shooter:

    “The Salem County (NJ) Clerk’s office has a way to tell you for sure the political affiliation of any registered voter. For $12, you can pull the voter registration records of anyone that signed up in the county. One man on the internet named “Mike” did just that to end the dispute once and for all. Turns out that the Paul Anthony Ciancia of Salem, New Jersey, born in 1990, that moved to LA, California, was a registered Democrat.”

    Your poster child for the “Right Wing Nut Job” is actually a Dumbocrat libturd who voted for President Obama. This is my shocked face. Suck it again, bitch. How’s it feel to be so wrong so often?

  • Deane Bobbit

    And that’s why he is a follower of the VERY left leaning ‘Patriot’ movement…right. After the Congressional takeover, we will be contacting you.

  • David Bocchino

    Except that he wasn’t…the only real information known is that he is a registered Dumbocrat and conspiracy theorist (“New World Order”.) Wow, you’re really getting desperate now huh? I’m sure you’ll try to contact me after the “takeover” but since this is still a relatively free country, I’ll be ignoring your stupid ass…unless you also have plans on ways of making me talk and surrender weapons, in which case, bring it, bitch. I got something for you.

  • Deane Bobbit

    Not desperate bored. Basically you are just a regurgitation of fox talking points. But you are still moving to the top of our list of dangerous homo-erotic individuals.

  • David Bocchino

    I love how you’re so absolutely deluded that you think you have any kind of power over what I do. Reporting me to the cadre, are you comrade? That’s ok, this isn’t Cambodia or China.

  • Deane Bobbit

    I love how suddenly all the gun owners who committed mass murder were left leaning politically suddenly, despite what you know about democrats such as we, in general do not even own guns and our idea of violence is a sit in or a strike. And you ignore the obvious causes of this disaster which is mental illness of the right wing. The vast majority of your whacko murderer friends were able to purchase their murder-tools legally. Because there is no method in place to stop this, despite it being known that they were suffering from mental defects in many cases, such as being obsessed with right wing radio. Typically, responsible gun enthusiasts are responsible until they are not responsible and then people die.
    Additionally, as you doubtless know, the DHS has been keeping a list of right wing potential domestic terrorists, because that is what you have the potential to be with your veiled threats and extremist beliefs.

  • Deane Bobbit

    For an idea of what we will be proposing next year, check out the site of one of my heroes: http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons-ban-summary

  • David Bocchino

    Oh, lil’ miss “Turn them all in Mr. and Mrs. America!” How very fascist and unconstitutional of both you and her.

  • Deane Bobbit

    How many guns do you have in your house?

  • David Bocchino

    None of your, or Diane Feinstein’s, business.

  • David Bocchino

    You can try to generalize but facts are facts and all those killers named above, and more, are left-wing libturds just like you. It didn’t happen suddenly. I don’t disagree that mental illness is likely the main cause but for you to attribute mental illness to a political philosophy indicates mental illness as much as that displayed by the shooters. Sorry you can’t take guns away. We have a 2nd Amendment. Get over it and crawl back in your hovel, you dung beetle.

  • Deane Bobbit

    And yet they were not. Some were mentally defective and had no political leaning and some were right wing government haters. I’m sure you think Timothy McVeigh was a democrat as well. That’s what happens when you get all your news on World Net Daily or the Blaze.

  • Deane Bobbit

    We will get you and those like you some mental help.

  • David

    I don’t need or want your help and even without the 2nd Amendment I still have the right to own guns. It’s called the Natural Right of Self Defense. The 2nd Amendment does not grant any right to own a gun. It merely prevent the government from infringing on the natural right to self-defense. So unless you can repeal the laws of nature, you’re SOL when it comes to taking my guns. You’re the one who should seek some mental health counseling. That paranoia of yours is raging pretty damn hard.

  • Deane Bobbit

    You mean ‘prevents’ in that context, teabagger, don’t you? There should be an IQ exam before people are allowed to own guns.

  • David

    That’s the best you can do? I left an “s” off of “prevent?” Do you want to go back to all of your previous posts and have me point out your atrocious writing, lack of proper punctuation, and poor use of grammar? I don’t think you want to go there Skippy. There should be an IQ exam before people are allowed to post to public forums. And of course, we know that you have no counter-argument to my post since you became the Spelling Nazi.

  • Deane Bobbit

    keep yur govmint hands off my medicare, moran! Just pointing out the obvious concerning the type of people who are gun’afficianados.’ Dumb, angry and prone to violence on a mass scale.

  • David

    I’ve been pointing out how obviously idiotic your stance is since this thread began. You’re just too much of a moran to get it, Spanky. What is a “gun’aficianodos’” anyway? Did you mean, perphaps, aficionados? Irony so rich I could cut it with a knife…lmao…guarantee I have a higher IQ and better education than you. Only violence I’m prone to is in defending my life, my family, and my property.

  • Deane Bobbit

    Except that I did it on purpose to see if you would even be paying attention. And that is the problem with the mentally defective, they fantasize that they are defending themselves, all the while blowing the head off of some poor teenager who was in an auto accident and knocking on a door for help.

  • David

    Sure you did…tool. Only mentally defective person in this conversation is you. You make some of the same mistakes over and over, you have a rigid and unbending stance, and have delusions of grandeur. You need help pal. If I cared, I’d feel sorry for you but since you’ve threatened me so many times I just shake my head ruefully.

  • Deane Bobbit

    You mean “The only mentally…” don’t you? And when you say “You need help pal,” there should be a comma after the “help.” I guess there isn’t any danger from you when you do finally snap, as your punctuation is terrible so you probably can’t hit what you are shooting at anyways.

  • Deane Bobbit

    Whatever dude, time for you to get out of your mommy’s basement.

  • David

    Time for you to grow the fuck up.

  • Deane Bobbit

    No, time for you to take a nap like the little baby you are, teabagger potential mass shooter.

  • David

    You’re the uptight hysterical one here. I’m perfectly fine with my guns and I’m not really worried about people like you who want to take them away. You, on the other hand, see a deranged Democrat with a gun behind every range target. You really should get some help for that paranoia thing you got going on.

  • Deane Bobbit

    Where do you keep your guns? Do you lock them up when your big brothers are running around? Do you have guns to make up for your failures in bed?

  • David

    NOYFB to the first. To the second, I don’t have any big brothers, other than your wannabe ass. To the third, your mom didn’t seem to have a problem. I’m not saying she’s a slut, but she’s taken more loads than a laundromat washer.

  • Deane Bobbit

    What are you 13? What does NOYFB even mean you fascist communist? Not On Your Face Book? Seriously get a life and stop stalking people from your basement apartment.

  • David

    Listen up you delusional punk: IDGAF that you can’t figure out what NOYFB means. Fascist communist? You don’t have a future in comedy writing so stick with asking people if they want fries with that. Say hi to your mom for me. I’m not saying she’s a slut, but she’s had more balls in her mouth than a hungry hippo.

  • Deane Bobbit

    So you admit then that a fascist and a communist are not the same thing. I think we are making progress. I’d do your mom like she asked, since I might be your dad, but she was too damn ugly. But that didn’t stop the football team from running a train, since she liked it like that.

  • David

    Dear Tweedle Dumb, I’ve always known that a fascist and a communist were different. However, they are both totalitarians. I’m pretty sure you’re a communist given your leftist ideals and your desire to control the actions of others, which makes you a totalitarian also. Good thing your mom is a capitalist and believes in selling that pussy to all comers, so to speak.

  • Deane Bobbit

    Your mom is just desperate just like you living in your grandma’s trailer basement.

  • David

    Trailer basement? AR-15 shotgun? You’ve got to be an NRA plant to make liberals look stupid.

  • Deane Bobbit

    The ridiculous is asserted by the malignant nature of those false gods that you worship. guns. Your white man’s hatred of all other things is equally apparent in your abhorrent impotant rage as you realize that those such as yourself will soon be vastly outnumbered by those such as myself and Treyvon. Lie down, caucasian man, lie down white devil-your time is done.

  • Deane Bobbit

    No, but I do think you are especially stupid and I will probably read about you in the papers connected with a mass shooting after we take the House next year. Hopefully we will be able to put in place common sense gun control measures before you feel the need to act, timothy mcveigh clone.

  • David

    Why would I wait until after “you” take the House next year? You do know that McVeigh didn’t use a gun, right? “Especially stupid?” That’s rich coming from you. Do try to contain your totalitarian tendencies, won’t you? The Constitution is still in effect, last I checked.

  • Deane Bobbit

    You white people are all the same. I did not say “me.” I said “we” meaning the majority party of the U.S. You know, we the people that still believe in America as a society not a selfish angry and frightened minority of crackers, mostly from the former slave holding states, who are constantly holding the rest of the country hostage by using technicalities and bribes.

  • David

    The majority party of the US? There’s no such thing. MSLSD (MSNBC) reports that the majority of Americans are so dissatisfied with the two current major parties that they want a third alternative (which they already have plenty of choices for but I digress.) However, it is MSNBC so they may have only polled their last few watchers. I love it when you non-lawyers get angry over “technicalities.” If you leave that make-believe world of yours where you’re part of some amorphous (look it up) majority, technicalities are what we call laws. Just a tip: You might want to use a comma when you write because I’m pretty sure there’s no such thing as a “selfish angry” out here in the real world.

  • Deane Bobbit

    too bad for you. enjoy losing your gun rights in the coming deluge of common sense gun control.

  • David

    Nothing about gun control is common sense. It’s about control, not guns. Another socialist opens fire in a school yesterday but I’m sure it’s somehow my fault or he wasn’t really a socialist or some other lame excuse you’ll come up with.

  • Deane Bobbit

    So how did he get ahold of his gun, I wonder? Did he purchase it legally with no problems? Why yes I believe he did.

  • Deane Bobbit

    ‘Where in Baltimore do you live, David Bocchino?

  • Jeff Kline

    My permit here in MN also allows me to carry down in Missouri and Kansas. I simply need only produce my card and ID.

  • David

    None of your business turd blossom.

  • Deane Bobbit

    I wouldn’t say that, david bocchino because you are obviously a stalker.

  • Gatecamper 123

    I still don’t understand why they can’t see, Criminals and Crazys DON’T open Carry.

  • Kat

    At the Walmart I work at in Thornton Colorado I see open carry quite often. Never had a problem

  • Gary Pepper

    what ya dont know is the police are currupt as hell in marshfield mo i got put in jail once there costed me a grand total of 20,000 just to have the d.a throw the case out found out the feds had even been all up in there faces and the chief of police or the sherrif or what ever ya want to call them there was put on notice and the leuitenent who was at a scene of a drug bust while going to drug rehab an on probation i just knew sooner or later they would be makin headlines

  • Dustin Spears

    cant even watch your fucking videos because your scamming shit ball adds what a joke this site has become get off the fucking adds

  • FallenHeros

    Ummm Thats what I am trying to figure out I dont know if any laws were broken……

  • ShilliestShill

    Wait…I wanted to see the part where he took their ID’s then screamed at them to get on the ground and after they complied without resistance he would start to shout “STOP RESISTING! STOP GOING FOR MY GUN! HIT HER WITH THE TASER! SHE’S GOT A GUN! SHOOT HER!” and then they would all be dead and the citizen who was talking shit would be like “see that..the power of jesus got you!”

  • ShilliestShill

    I mean..he’s protecting and serving his corporate agenda who purchased his states local and state level prosecution and PD. I’m surprised he’s not walking around with a bunch of pins showing all his sponsors on. He’s gotta serve and protect them.

  • ShilliestShill

    It’s actually illegal to carry ANY type of firearm in and around school zones or normally “school functions” as well. This includes playgrounds, inside of the school or at any place that the school would have a function like at a basketball game or soccer game.

    The fact that you are illiterate of the law makes your argument invalid.

    A guns sole meaning was created to EQUALIZE a threat if it came down to it. People FORGET this very ideal and think that all it is is a weapon to destroy and kill. The firearm way back in the day was created as a means to equalize the playing field.

    I digress, if you have 2 people coming at you and they have the intent of causing threat or harm to you or maybe your son..or family..are you just going to let them because “guns are bad?” What if you witnessed someone getting raped and your only means of protecting the victim was a gun? Will you refuse to use it strictly based on the fact that it’s bad?

    Stop being a fucking shill and keep your words to yourself if you are illiterate about what you are actually talking about.

  • Buzzkill

    An officer must suspect you of a crime before requiring identification (does not apply if you are operating a motor vehicle). It was unconstitutional to demand identification as the officer evidently did not suspect them of a crime.

  • Buzzkill

    These innocent civilians were illegally detained. How is that wasting the time of the officers? If the officers didn’t want to waste our tax payer dollars they should start by NOT detaining law abiding citizens without reasonable suspicion of a crime.

  • Buzzkill

    When your rights are being violated by law enforcement, film footage is the only way to win your case in court.

  • Buzzkill

    There is a difference between investigating and illegally detaining law abiding citizens.

  • Buzzkill

    Missouri is not one of those states.

  • Buzzkill

    Then you don’t know your rights.

  • Tina

    I believe in the 2nd Amendment & I have a Conceal & Carry Permit but when I carry I really don’t want people to know! No one needs to know & I think those who carry sometimes flaunt it – looking for a reaction! People who are uninformed – unfamiliar with guns are uncomfortable when they see someone obviously carrying weapon – for whatever reason – it’s not the norm! Not only does it freak out some citizen’s – it antagonizes some cops – so why put yourself in that position & conceal it! I know it’s your right but be prepared for whatever attention you get – mostly bad – obviously they were testing people & places!

  • edwin

    fight or flight response….