[Watch] Pro-Second Amendment Officer Gives Important Lesson To Open Carry Demonstrator

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This officer gives an excellent talk to an open carry demonstrator exercising his rights about responsibility and wisdom in the protection of the second amendment.

While identifying himself as pro-second amendment and a patriot, who is aware that the detainee is within his rights, a little voice of reality is provided as food for thought.

This is the kind of reasoned, respectful and community-minded public servant that we could use more of. This officer works for the Neenah, WI Police Dept., they are fortunate to have him.

 

 

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  • Anthony Murray

    The threats were excessive in my opinion. He did allow the constitution rights side of it, but he was acting very very threatening himself imho.

  • Matthew Jeffers

    Cop seemed like a dick to me.

  • Dillon Clark

    cop was a Dick in this one never tell a man you will shoot him in the head when he is 100% doing everything he is saying

  • open carry

    Keep repeating – Am I being detained, am I free to go. Go preach elsewhere.

  • http://www.timetogobama.com/ TIMETOGObama

    The police officer threatened to shoot him in the head multiple times and his backup had their weapons aimed at him while not committing a crime, and you believe the police department was “fortunate to have him”. I would hate to see what you consider a bad cop.

  • Kenyon Hopkins

    It’s crap! We gonna let the wussy Americans dictate our rights to us? Wussified Americans are scared of guns because they only see them on TV when somebody is getting shot or in the news when some nutbag has gone on a killing spree. The comfort level would increase if more people open carried. They wouldn’t be so scary. That being said, this is one of the better encounters I’ve seen with LE in response to similar situations. The officer says he’s a proud patriot but acts like a coward thinking everyone should hide their guns.

  • Tu Bui

    I think as much as people think he’s being a dick, he could be like other cops who a) shoot first, ask later b) slam him to the ground and arrest him, no questions asked..but he didn’t. He was very literal and honest about the situation. It might have been “intimidating”, but how would you handle the situation if you were to deal with somebody you have no idea what their potential intentions might be. They could be good or bad, but how are you to know? I think that most people can agree that airing on the side of caution is the best option without abridging the man’s constitutional rights beyond giving a slap-on the hand lecture.

  • Elizabeth Marie Simpkins

    cop is just telling the truth many people freak over guns even if they aren’t holding them in a threatening manner

  • afreeman

    What the hell??? are you out of your mind? This police officer held that man at gunpoint while threatening him with a bullet in the head….yeah very reasoned

  • afreeman

    excuse me let me make sure that everyone understands that i meant the other officer with her gun drawn in the ready position…completely uncalled for

  • Travis Augustine

    The author of this article that this officer did a good job and all that. I have to completely disagree…

    First of, I find his repeated threats to either shoot, or have shot the demonstrator in the head for a wrong move to be absolutely deplorable. Once is fair warning, more than that is bullying plain and simple.

    Second, I completely disagree with contact even being made. He kept making references to this day and age and all that. Great yup agree. However, his job is to protect the rights of everyone, even the demonstrators. He should’ve observed from a distance until he knew exactly what was going on. Once he knew they were simply 2nd amendment demonstrators he should’ve moved on…end of story.

    With all the attacks on our rights, officers behaving like this officer did do far more damage to our 2nd amendment rights because it emboldens the anti-gun crowd.

    He was a bully, plain and simple.Show less

  • Defender of the Homefront

    What Kool-Aid are you drinking? This is truly harassment! It’s wrong to exorcize his 2nd amendment rights but he holds them at gunpoint and threatens to shoot him in the head.BS!

  • BC

    Smart cop , dumb “patriot” . Yes we can carry, but some people are pushing it and acting stupid.Grow up. I am pro gun too

  • smitty195

    The officer is being professional and honest. If you open carry people don’t like it, then don’t open carry. You are INVITING police contact. And don’t lecture me on the Constitution or your rights—I know them well. That’s why I’m saying that if you **CHOOSE** to exercise your rights in this manner, then you are also **CHOOSING** to have police contact, because people are going to call 911. I already know I’ll get flamed, told to screw off, told I’m un-American, told I’m a communist, blah blah blah….and you couldn’t be further from the truth. If you’re going to “play” because you want to be a YouTube “star”, then by God, you go ahead and do it. But expect the consequences as well–okay? Now flame away and tell me what a dick I am and how I love Obama. Go ahead–make an ass of yourselves. I don’t care.

  • Geoff Potter

    Please don’t tell me you’re taking journalism lessons from Dick Metcalfe (writer for Guns & Ammo who was fired).

  • nwyfzguy

    I don’t understand the cops logic, what’s the use of the Second Amendment if you can’t exercise your Rights freely without harassment law enforcement? Once you identified them as good law-abiding gun owners he should’ve kicked them loose without the lectures.

  • Jason Pearson

    This was awesome to listen to. Speaking as a non American and being a viewer of these videos.., its good to see a Law officer showing respect as the gentlemen also returned that respect.
    I do however agree with the Police officer.., that open carry like they were doing…, doesnt help the 2nd Ammendment., and if someone does take offence and thinks they are doing something wrong, then they could open fire with their own weapon and dead is dead whether justified or not.
    Just because you have the right to do something., doesnt make it alright to do that.
    Very informative indeed and thanks for posting this.

  • Justin Martin

    So the police may need rifles, but these guys who live in the area they patrol and respond may not?

    That doesn’t make any sense, they have a good reason to carry rifles just because the majority of the population are sheep doesn’t make them wrong. Most of those people who would go to city hall complaining couldn’t protect themselves from a knife wielding maniac, let alone a gunman. Who cares what they think save for fools?

  • smitty195

    I agree with you 100%. Just because we CAN do it, doesn’t mean we MUST do it. Hey, I can go jump off a bridge if I want to. How come we don’t have a bunch of people jumping off bridges? Oh, wait, it’s because they would get hurt. Some will understand this comment, most will not (unfortunately).

  • smitty195

    Because the cop is human, not a robot. Police officers these days are encouraged to do this type of talking. It’s called, “Community Oriented Policing”. The old days of “Show me your ID”, and then saying nothing, are mostly over. What you’re seeing is what they are now trained to do….times have changed.

  • David Platt

    I’m a conservative, and agree with the cop. The threats were over the top, but the rest of it made sense. If every one was open carrying, it sure would make me nervous. People would be shooting each other for no reason. I have more respect for this cop than I do with the idea of the many carrying, and ready to fire people out there. He should get a concealed permit. Out of sight, out of mind, until you need it. That way people who see you wont have to quickly figure out weather you’re good or bad. And I believe that’s all the officer was trying to get across to the guy. But the guy was too wrapped up in old glory to be able to see this. If that isn’t bad for the support of the second amendment, I don’t know what is.

  • MKE gal

    There was nothing reasoned or respectful about this!
    He was threatening to use deadly force against people he admitted he knew were not doing anything wrong.
    That officer was using his official powers & position to go on a rant about his opinions.
    It was completely wrong. I am looking forward to seeing how much these officers and this department have to pay their victims to settle the federal civil rights suit.

  • Mike Little

    This is a very good officer and a great representation of serving and protecting. He explained everything. It does hurt our rights and scares Joe and Jane citizen. People are scared. Get your CCW and do the right thing.

  • Mike Little

    No, he only explained what would happen if he got stupid and moved towards his weapons.

  • Mike Little

    This officer showed great restraint and explained everything.

  • MKE gal

    No, you’re a butter.
    “I support guns but…”
    There are no buts to civil rights.

  • MKE gal

    Since the FBI published research in 2007 (2006?) saying that criminals don’t carry openly and almost never use holsters, surely by now every law enforcement professional in the US has read the study herself or had their training officer bring it up.
    This guy admitted he knew they weren’t doing anything wrong.
    He shouldn’t even have stopped them.

  • DocRides

    Guys who Insist on Testing Cops will Cost those of Us who Legally Carry Concealed…Your Moronic Cowboy Behavior does nothing but FEED THE OPPOSITION! One of these Days you’ll catch a Bullet from someone Legally Carrying who sees you as a Threat and Not as a Moron who looks for ways to Screw with the Police!Almost 18 minutes the Police were Not Patrolling and Protecting….and if , just if you Get Your Way and Make your Point; Criminals will Freely Roam the Streets and Judgement will become a CrapShoot.

  • MKE gal

    Bologna. Pastrami even.
    I’ve carried (a pistol) openly for over 3 years, and the only people who have ever come close to “freaking out” have been cops. I have hidden camera video of me doing various errands around town while clearly armed. Nobody reacted badly. One guy smiled at me. I even went to my bank to do business with no trouble.

  • Shelly King

    guys this is a day and age of shootings in schools, on the streets and people breaking into our homes with weapons. If the cops would have just assumed he was exercising his constitutional rights and he killed someone, then what would you all be saying then? The guy was just trying to prove a point and a stupid point at that. I agree with the right to bear arms, but this is not the wild wild west; people who have the right to carry permits generally do not blatantly walk around with a gun. How exactly would you feel if this guy was approaching your child, grandchild, friend whomever with this gun… how would you feel about it then?! And no, the cops threats were no excessive.. he wanted to make himself perfectly clear what would happened should the guy make a move for his gun. Let them try that move walking into the wrong neighbor and they may never make it out!!

  • Mary Kirkley Ellis

    I happen to agree with the officer—it is people like this trying to cause confrontations and cause incidents that will hurt all of us and our right to continue to carry. That guy is just trying to be a jerk

  • Cody Long

    For those of you who claim that the cops should have never even made contact with these two, are you seriously that STUPID? When the cops receive a complaint about people with guns walking around, especially long guns, they HAVE to respond to it. It is common sense. It would have been wrong to arrest them, yeah, but let’s play a different scenario. Let’s say these open carry guys were walking down the street and somebody called the cops. They cops don’t even bother responding, because, hey, it is within their rights to walk around with such weapons despite it being stupid to do so. The guys suddenly start opening fire on passing cars and/or innocent people and injure/kill some of them. Only then do the cops come and kill them or arrest them. Now let’s say the media got wind that the cops were called prior to the shooting but didn’t bother showing up, what do you think would be the news report on that? Good job cops? Hell no. They would crucify the officers and entire police department. The cops in this video did a very good job of a stop and preemptive measure, and from a legal standpoint did nothing wrong just as the open carry guys did nothing wrong. If you don’t like the verbiage the cops were using then too bad. He wanted to make damn sure the guys were too scared to try anything stupid. What did you want him to say? “Howdy doody guys. How are you nice young men doing today? Please don’t make any sudden motions because I might have to unholster my weapon and engage you in defense of myself.” Give me a damn break.

  • DocRides

    Lacking your Psychic Ability I disagree….You’re actively “Aiding and Abetting the Criminals of Our Country”….any when an Officer (God Forbid) let’s down and gets Shot because he Mistakes a Criminal or Lunitic for one of you Jackoffs and he get’s Killed I hope you have to face his Family and give your Bullshit explaination about your Rights. Yes I believe in Our 2nd Amendment, I believe we have a Right to Carry but I don’t Believe it’s 1776 (where walking the Streets with a Rifle Slung over your Shoulder was Commonplace)….I hope for your sake You never encounter a Licensed Carrier with Skill levels faster than yours, because that Rifle will still be Slung over your shoulder when your Lifeless Body hits the Ground and your Loved Ones have to suffer a Loss because you Interpurted that sacred amendment your way….and Yes I am a Former Officer and the way this Officer handeled this situation took more Balls than you’ll ever find hanging in your Drawers!

  • DocRides

    That goes double for you….you couldn’t make a Pimple on a Cops Ass!

  • Truckie 117

    Cop tells him he is there to protect them. I am here to protect myself and my family he is only backup!

  • Northohio

    The cop is absolutely right. It’s idiots like this that hurt the public perception of guns. When the non gun owners see things like this, it’s easy to get them to support gun control. The attention is the only thing these guys are looking for.

  • DocRides

    The Difference between “Explaining what can Happen, given certain Circumstances” and Threatening (ie “Move and I’m gonna Cap you in the Skull”) are something you failed to Comprehend when you were Growing up!

  • Killroy Was Here

    This needs to be sent out to Communities of Police Enforcement EVERYWHERE! The cops in this situation did not go Rambo, did not throw the guys on the ground, break any bones or fire one shot. They entered the situation with a level head and approached the guys in a civilized manner. The 2nd Amendment right lecture was a bit much but I respect the cop that was handling the situation. All I can say is in a day where cops think they are RAMBO and would rather shoot first and ask questions later and good Americans wind up dead just for parading their 2nd Amendment rights — IT looks like the copy in Neenah, WI are not drinking the FOOL-AID that is being pissed out by our Tyrant, traitorous, lying president. Thank you officers for doing a great job! *Applause*

  • DocRides

    Holy Crap….Finially a Voice of Reason amongst all these “Would Be Patriots”….I prefer to Have those skilled in the Use of their Firearms on my side instead of alienating them…..Nice to see Someone that “Gets It”!!!

  • http://www.downrangedefense.com/ Matt Kaufmann

    If you protest by openly exercising your second amendment rights then you had better accept the possibility of somebody complaining and/or a police encounter. If you’re abrasive to police then you’re really not helping things.

    On the other hand, the suggestion that another CCW holder would shoot a person with a slung long gun on sight is a bit of a stretch. Any CCW holder who would engage another person who is carrying a gun has made a horrible error in identifying a threat. If I saw a guy pacing around with a slung long gun, I’d have my eyes on him but I wouldn’t draw down on him unless he made to prepare his weapon.

  • MKE gal

    Bolony.
    I’ve carried (a pistol) openly for over 3 years, and the only people who have ever come close to “freaking out” have been cops.
    I have hidden camera video of me doing various errands around town (Milwaukee, WI) while clearly armed.
    Nobody reacted badly. One guy smiled at me. I even went to my bank to do business with no trouble.
    The _only_ problem I’ve _ever_ had has been with police who don’t know the laws.
    That’s pretty sad, since it’s their job.

  • pissedoffnewyorker

    You know, all you folks, like Anthony here arguing regarding that the cop was looking for a reason, acting threating etc, you are assholes. Simply the officer was making it known exactly what will happen to the individual if he were to take a hostile approach, nothing more. Plain and simple, I’m not a cop, but I’m from NYC and I’ve dealt with enough stupid motherfuckers to know that common sense eludes them. I’ve made similar statements to individuals who posed acted in a questionable manner with me, and let me tell you, once the individual knows that you have no problem using necessary force, they will think twice before acting like a dick. However, from some of the comments here, common sense eludes you and you will still act like a dick towards a cop who is making his intentions clear. Those of you looking for shit to complain about make situations waste…let me guess Anthony and all you others, you would have been cursing at the cops, you would have made a move for your weapon? what would you have done? This officer acted professionally and made sure a situation did not escalate into something more serious.

  • pissedoffnewyorker

    Agree with you Doc, that the shit that pisses me off. They want to mouth off and act like a dick.

  • john henery

    We all have the right to open carry, I have done this my whole life, We are as legal as you with conceal carry. At least we are not afraid .

  • lester

    This country was founded on open carry…..It use to be that everyone carried a gun on their hip…..I believe there was a lot more respect and responsibility back then then there is today. You were raised on how to use the fire arm.. and when to use the fire arm….now for the most part a lot of people have no idea about respect and about responsibility with a fire arm… The government will win the war on gun control if we continue to taunt them with expressing our rights and making videos like these…but I do believe if we went back to open carry by everyone that the respect and responsibility would also come back…

  • pissedoffnewyorker

    A bad cop, or a NYPD officer would have forced you to disarm and than would have kicked your ass for being a dickhead. Than you would have been arrested…when all you need to do is cooperate…but no, you want to be a dickhead…lets see how long you last in the streets when confronting cops with a long gun…do what these morons did.

  • DocRides

    It’s a Damn shame that more don’i get it….These Nay Sayers need to put their “In Your Face” Rights away and Think Clearly! How Fast can you Unsling that Long Gun, aim and Fire when that Legal Carry Citizen off to the Side has his 9mm or 45 cal with the Laser Site right on your Noggin and he’s squeezing….those “Rights” won’t save your Life! Good call Smitty! Hope all the Cowboys atay home when the SHTF!

  • pissedoffnewyorker

    seriously…you are bullshitting me. So you would walk up to two guys one with a long gun the other with a second weapon and you won’t have your weapon out…I call bullshit on you.

  • Big Jeff AZ

    These are some of the dumb asses that are only
    hurting the law abiding CCW carry gun people. This does not help our 2nd
    amendment cause, it ONLY hurts it. Stop being stupid, think before you act, you’re NOT helping the 2nd amendment cause!

  • pissedoffnewyorker

    So, let me guess, you all are pissy because its a white boy being told he will be shot if he acts like a dick. I’m sure if it was a black dude or a Spanish dude you’ll have a different opinion of the cop. you know i’m right

  • Travis Augustine

    Believe as you wish. I believe rights apply to everyone. You’re the one who brought race into this, not I. Guess that makes you the racist.

  • pissedoffnewyorker

    agree with you. ppl here think the cop is being a dick but if they were wearing the badge, i’m sure they would have reacted way differently than this cop.

  • Don Lanpher

    It is poor judgement to walk around with and exposed weapon…..on the other hand the prolonged discussion by the police is much to long and drawn out……..that is toro cah cah………

  • pissedoffnewyorker

    he was dispatched to the site, even if he didn’t want to stop and deal with them he was required to do so since he was dispatched to the scene via a citizen making a phone call.

  • pissedoffnewyorker

    yet he still is required to do this, this is the new social community bullshit. stop and frisk is considered racist though it works, stopping a couple of white dudes with guns who flash their permits and move on is no longer optional…especially when you see the statistics…mass murder in usa with guns tend to be white folks. So, if the cop just checked his permit and let him move on, the PD, cop and city would be sued and at fault, so now its all about covering your ass.

  • Travis Augustine

    I would, but then again I’m not afraid of guns…you apparently are.

  • pissedoffnewyorker

    you are a man with common sense speaking. people believe just because they can they should. choosing to do something to cause a reaction is not necessarily a good thing, case a point these idiots open carrying. No one would have cared if the guy was carrying a pistol openly, but the long gun…why…especially in a city environment. And you know what, I think ppl here are piss cause it’s a white guy being hassled…i’m sure they would not have found the officers reaction rude in anyway if it was a black or Spanish guy.

  • smitty195

    I disagree, but you knew I would. You also missed my point. If you choose to open carry for your own protection and your own personal reasons, go for it. I’m not talking about people like you. I’m talking about these idiots who carry long guns for the SOLE PURPOSE of getting YouTube video and making police contact. That’s the ONLY reason they’re doing it. They say they do it for other reasons, but that’s BS. If YouTube (or similar) did not exist, they would not be doing it. They will ruin it for everyone.

  • pissedoffnewyorker

    I’ve been reading and found maybe four or five post who have a logical view such as yours. Its frightening how everyone here thinks….these are the people that making it hard for us to carry legally.

  • Steven Bevier

    Open carry was designed in my opinion to allow for handguns to be open carried. You idiots who go around and want to open carry AR’s AK’s, Marlins, Shotguns, etc…..are doing nothing but hurting the rest of us.
    There is absolutely no reason to carry the above listed firearms (or their counter parts) unless you are patrolling in a combat zone or are in the hunting field. All you are trying to do is prove how bad@$$ you are and all you are actually accomplishing is proving how much of an @$$ you are.

  • Keith Bailey

    I thought that the Officer was very professional, Brave and Knowledgeable about the Constitution and the laws he is required to enforce. I am a second amendment person. I believe in concealed carry rights and I believe in open carry rights. He just did his job, and did it well. I was once walking down Wayne Ave. In Dayton Ohio. I was carrying a Mossberg 16 gauge shotgun. I was a teen who was not old enough to drive. The chamber was open no ammunition etc. etc. A car with a Dayton cop passed and pulled over and asked me where I was going and why I was carrying a shotgun. I simply told him that I was headed to a gun shop a few blocks away to have a repair done. He never got out of the car. No one asked me for ID. he simply said OK and drove away.. He did not follow me. I went on my way after about a three minute conversation with the officer.. I took my weapon to the shop and turned it in for repair.. It happened in 1973 ..As far as I know the Constitution has not changed since then.. People have, The mass shooters are on psychotropic drugs.. Check you will see… We did not slaughter each other back then.. If we had ADHD we just got our asses beat and made to do our work. .No one drugged us..Our PARENTS raised us.. This baby daddy thing is killing us all…

  • Rodney

    Fuck you doc…just fuck you.

  • Rodney

    pissoffnewyorker why don’t you just go stick your liberal pea brain in an oven and turn on the gas. You fucking dickhead yankee pussies have fucked this country up enough already. You wouldn’t know a constitutional right from your asshole.

  • Rodney

    When the SHTF doc I hope you’re one of the first killed in the crossfire. You’re a boot-licking pussy and a sunshine patriot for sure.

  • Rodney

    pissedoffnewyourker, you’re such a pansy-ass pussy piece of shit. When Samuel Adams said “If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” He was thinking of cowardly fools just like you.

  • Kevin McCormick

    so to carry a rifle in public is wrong but carry concealed is alright .thats the most moronic thing ive heard carrying open or concealed the general public is still going to freak out either way and as far as cops protecting where have you been they do more killing of innocent people now days then before .and criminals will roam freely no matter what

  • Brian Halfhill

    We need more cops like this. He is a real cop and not a pig.

  • bill boertlein

    I agree with you 100% Mary. In today’s world common sense should be used to protect our 2nd Amendment. No one knows where and when it will happen next. Push come to shove, we will lose to protect the many. I see it coming, because there is more at work here. Just look around, or we’ll turn into a “Police State.”

  • CaptainInsano

    Then you are just an idiot m8. Guns aren’t dangerous, but people are. Who the hell can judge if someone isn’t a nutcase walking around with a gun? After all incidents like that happen on a frequent basis all over the world.

    Yes, it might sound threatening to state that you would shoot someone in the head if they moved for their weapon. But is that really unreasonable? It’s just fact. Only an idiot would not reach for their weapon if someone else tried to pull one up.

    As others have stated as well. Actions like this is just a waste of resources just because someone wants to prove their rights. It’s dangerous and just plain stupid.

  • ea

    Since when are opinions part of Law and Order? There is a law pertaining to Open Carry and the Supreme Court ruled that a person cannot be stopped and questioned for exercising their 2nd Amendment Right. He is using his authority to make his platform. I could careless what this “Oath Keeper” THINKS! He is violating their civil rights and I hope they sue the shit out of him! And those that don’t get this……That’s why our Country is in the shape it is!

  • Dominic Kirby

    I think the threats were more that justified. I’m all for open pistol carry, but open carrying your AR is just stupid… With recent events, having a partner having their weapon drawn covering you is reasonable as well. That cop has good sense.

  • Jonathan Ramey

    I agreed with some of what you said, but you lost me with “One of these Days you’ll catch a Bullet from someone Legally Carrying who sees you as a Threat and Not as a Moron who looks for ways to Screw with the Police!” That comment is not gonna win any points with anyone. Pro or Anti gun.

  • Driver_Of_Da_Black_F150

    You can arrest me any time big boy, LOL.

  • Paul Wappler

    Bullshit if you think the cops were being awesome in this situation. They were using the right words and doing the wrong things to intimidate the non-suspects (according to the supreme courts you can’t use the fact someone is carrying a gun in order to determine they are a criminal therefore he never needed to give them their name) The cop is bullying them and using legal terms sploshing them with “patriotic” terms in order to train the suspect into doing what he wants. In a real america the civilians could’ve just kept on walking.

  • Dirk

    You’re right about New York. Liberal pussies up there won’t let you carry or at least it’s hard as shit to get a license. You people need to wake up. Sure it’s not 1776, but we still have the same rights. Maybe if more people would open carry, pussies would freak out so much about it.

  • Driver_Of_Da_Black_F150

    All joking aside, I’m in total agreement with ‘smitty195′.

  • Don La Rue

    To all the pro-gun people out there who can’t get themselves to at least read the DC v Heller case…It took 217 yrs for the SCOTUS to declare that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right. I mean come on, when was the last time they said you have a right to do anything?…READ IT!…Anyway, THERE IS NO RIGHT TO CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS…..ONLY OPEN CARRY is protected under the 2nd Amendment. The NRA and Alan Gura have lost every concealed carry license(can’t license a right) case they have brought to the SCOTUS….This is what Scalia mentions in DC v Heller:

    Robertson v Baldwin 165 U.S. 275 (1897) ” …..the right of the people to keep and bear arms (Art. II) is not infringed by laws prohibiting the carrying of concealed weapons;..”

    This means OPEN CARRY is the RIGHT way to carry….Whether anyone likes it or not. That’s where the right lyes.

    In this case, it was New York State’s position that because the state allows for the OPEN CARRY of RIFLES and SHOTGUNS, they can constitutionally require reason for issuance of a concealed carry permit for handguns.

    ALAN KACHALSKY, et al.,
    Petitioners,
    v.
    SUSAN CACACE, et al.,
    Respondents.

    ON PETITION FOR A WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT

    BRIEF FOR THE STATE RESPONDENTS IN OPPOSITION

    ” The statute went further than New York’s law in two critical ways. First, Illinois’s ban applied to all guns, not just concealable firearms, such as handguns. By contrast New York’s law does not restrict public carrying of most rifles and shotguns. Second, Illinois’s law imposed an absolute ban on public carrying, whereas New York’s law merely regulates it by requiring a showing of cause for issuance of a general concealed-carry license. “

  • Driver_Of_Da_Black_F150

    Your making too much sense for these people who can’t even pee into a swimming pool without pissing on themselves.

  • Hank

    Do we seriously live in a world of pussies? Doc, you want to talk smack to everyone defending the guy’s right to be armed. I’d rather see the weapon on someone and gauge for myself if they’re a potential threat. If I think they could be a threat, I’d keep my distance and notify police to show up and ask some questions….not detain them for 15 minutes trying to berate the guy into thinking his constitutional right to carry is shameful. I’ve been going to Iraq and Afghanistan for the last 10 years defending our rights such as these. I don’t like hearing asswhipes talking pro this or anti that but I understand that it’s also a right that I fought for. The public needs to get away from this pussy attitude of offending someone or scaring the public. I thought this was AMERICA, Land of the free, because of the brave. How the hell did we get so P.C. that we’re scared to exercise our rights? The dumb ass female officer needs to get her head out of her ass too. If she held that stance with me, I’d consider it a threat. She needs to calm the fuck down before she shoots herself in the foot. I understand law enforcement has a hard job of figuring out who the “bad guys” are, but that’s why they talk to and work with the public. It’s their job to find out without taking away the public’s rights. This isn’t a police state. If you want that, go to some communist shithole. Then you don’t have to worry about people exercising their rights. They won’t have any.

  • Keli Grantham Steadham

    Ok, I have to say, I don’t get a lot of this. First….I do understand the wishes to be able to carry. I do. What I don’t understand is why people strap on a gun and basically go looking for someone to confront them about it. Just walking around, waiting to get stopped by someone. Then refusing to cooperate. “I do not consent to a search”? He didn’t ask to search him. He asked if he could take his wallet out and identify him. There’s a BIG difference. The officers HAVE to be wary. Heck, PEOPLE have to be wary, in this day and age. These guys could very well have been out to cause trouble, rob someone, whatever. WE, as citizens, don’t know any different. So, while I support the 2nd Amendment wholeheartedly, I just don’t get the need to push the boundaries, so to speak. To belligerently go out there with 3 or 4 guns strapped on you and your friends, just simply because you CAN. Until all of the controversy about the 2nd Amendment came up, these guys would most likely not have been carrying so openly. Not to mention, it’s taking these officers away from something they could otherwise be doing, like stopping a REAL crime.

  • Keli Grantham Steadham

    Personally, I feel that officers are wearing uniforms or at least badges that show they are officers. As I said in my post, I support the 2nd Amendment 100%. But there’s a difference between exercising your Constitutional rights and being a show-off, just because you can. too many crazy people out there to NOT be wary of someone carrying a gun so openly. And yes, I would rather it be in a holster or whatever. Maybe I’m not making any sense, but I just don’t get the need for this.

  • Don La Rue

    That just goes to show you how obtuse the cops are….Took 18min for them to harass…I mean, figure out if they were ” ACTIVE ” shooters. Cop needs to realize that concealed carry is regulated for the SAFETY of the public and open carry isn’t because the public is on notice, from the openly displayed firearm, that you have a weapon….Don’t like it, have the courts allow concealed carry without a license.

  • Keli Grantham Steadham

    Thank you, Doc. I wrote my post before I read yours. You said basically the same thing, with fewer words. lol

  • BOOGUMBA

    If you turn some of this around and the cop say’s to him hey if you make any movements toward me my partner over there in the suv will have to shoot you in the head and the guy replied well there is some one in and another spot with a gun pointed at your head and if you make any moves toward me he will have to shoot you in the head. You see I do not think anyone should ever be treated the way these men were treated. The cop is nuts and if the guy would have treated him the same way there would have been blood. If someone gets a complaint but its not breaking the law than to bad. Welcome to america. I can say go fuck your self anytime I want and you can carry guns to keep your self safe! You dont like it awwwwww then yu can leave this amazing country! If your afraid of guns dont be a cop.

  • Eric Babcock

    That was absolutely one of the worst phonetic alphabet reading I have ever heard. The threats should not have been made. I’d file a complaint, and take this to court.

  • Marc Peek

    You’re an idiot

  • Keli Grantham Steadham

    Officers get killed all the time because they underestimate a situation. And if you’re not afraid of what a gun in the hands of an idiot can do, then you’re stupid. No, the gun all by itself can’t do anything, but if it’s being held by someone I don’t know, I’m certainly not going to trust that person enough not to pull my own gun. Especially if I’m a cop and trained to do so. smh

  • Marc Peek

    You are a moron

  • Marc Peek

    You’re a moron

  • David Platt

    You’re absolutely right. But times have changed since then. There are elements of our society that are quick to take advantage of those rights. open carry is a bad idea. reminds me of the old west, and in the saloon, everyone had a gun, and everyone was nervous. To purposely go out and carry one in public apparently just to “strut your stuff”, and “exercise your rights” sets a precedence, and soon, even the thugs will be open carry, and no one will know who the bad guy is. Thus more shootings. More respect should be shown the second amendment if were gonna be fighting to keep it. I think the officer did it right too, but telling a possible perpetrator where you’re going to be aiming was a terrible idea. And was a little crass.

  • Keli Grantham Steadham

    The officer didn’t threaten him. He told him what was going to happen if he made any unnecessary moves. That’s what they’re trained to do. Smh.

  • Marc Peek

    You’re an idiot

  • Marc Peek

    Too many idiots who have no clue on here

  • Christopher Miller

    If there are good cops why dont they do something about the bad cops???????

  • Keli Grantham Steadham

    The officers have the right to live, also. They didn’t know that one of them wasn’t going to get close to the guy and him turn and shoot them. How stupid do you want officers to be, anyway? Do you not like the police for some reason?

  • Christopher Miller

    Answer because there ARE NONE … most are Freemasons

  • RG

    I agree with the cop. California lost their open carry laws because people insisted on open carry in retail locations. Personally, I do not agree with open carry. A criminal normally hides his weapon until he is ready to do his bad deed. If he notices a person open carrying, he knows to shoot that guy first. Everyone knows he means business and gets another gun in the process. Now, criminals aren’t typically the smarts people. And they may not scope out who’s carrying openly, but I’d rather not take the chance. Oh yah, I carry every day… concealed. Please don’t fuck it up for the rest of us.

  • memoe

    It’s very obvious to me this was a tactical exercise and the officers were targeted from multiple vantage points. Think of it as a training, the young man with the long gun was the bait and the officers were the targets. The officers had multiple cross hairs on them the whole time and didn’t know it. They should never have exposed themselves in the open as they did. Easy targets at over 250 yards!

  • Derp

    Keli Grantham Steadham, with that mentality how do I know someone in uniform isn’t just wearing a haloween costume? I don’t know if he’s just going to walk up shoot me and take my possessions.

  • De Gosh Reed

    This is not good there is still the assumption of guilt for this stop. You draw on me and i return fire!

  • Wilson

    police did a good job, the citizens did a good job too, but it sure did waste resources that could have been better used getting bad guys…I pray there are more cops like those guys and less like obamaz sorry ass

  • smitty195

    Thanks man, much appreciated!

  • De Gosh Reed

    Following the law is not suspicion of guilt. cars are more dangerous than guns. the only difference is one has an anti-perception campaign thats winning. The cops opinion is valid but its the opinion not the law. The police have no right to harass you on an opinion correct or not. With no commission of a crime any harassment is unlawful.

  • Roy Chastain

    If it were more common place to know that many others were carrying, those who are out to do harm would think twice knowing what they would have to confront.

  • Darrell Kinnaman Jr.

    Yes, we do live in a world of pussies. America is soft as France. Can’t believe I fought for these idiots that vote people like Bush and Obama into office. Time for change has come and gone, time for a revolution is here.

  • De Gosh Reed

    How well have the cops been working out now their the only ones legitimately allowed to openly posses guns? Ill answer that for you, not to well. Even the best response time for the police is about 3-5 mins. In that amount of time so many people can be killed, with any weapon. Only an armed public can defend its self. You can count on others to save you, Ill defend my family my self!

  • De Gosh Reed

    That by definition is a threat…….. SMH harder might knock some sense into your silly head.

  • De Gosh Reed

    Respond yes, but how to respond is another point all together.

  • Aaron

    You’re the idiot. Go somewhere else with that BS, troll.

  • Kevin T.

    Keli,

    Legally, unless the officer can see something without manipulating it, that is considered a search. That being said, even though I’m a big proponent of open carry, I do agree that people carrying long guns, while within their rights, are doing more to hurt our cause. I have my CHP and will conceal when appropriate, however typically I carry my handgun openly, properly in it’s retention holster, because of personal choices I’ve made. There can be tactical arguments made FOR openly carried just as there are some AGAINST. I’m not going to get into discussion or argument about that, because it has the same likelihood of an outcome as the 1911 vs. Glock argument.

    I respect other peoples personal opinion to only conceal, though I respect my own to carry openly. Also to address your statement, I know many people, myself included, that carried openly long before the “controversy”.

    Overall this officer handled himself in a decent manner, however the comment about shooting him in the head could have been handled much more tactfully.

  • Aaron

    NYPD couldn’t force me to do anything because I live in FL and we don’t play that police state shit here. Anybody who tries to kick my ass just because they think I’m a dickhead is going to lose teeth, badge or not.

  • Kevin T.

    Cody, both agree and disagree with parts of what you said.

    The people that are complaining about the police responding in this situation, are the same ones that would be first in line for the law suit in the situation if they received a call, didn’t respond, and ended up involved in an active shooter scenario…

    On the other hand, I do think that the verbiage that the officer used was a little much. I don’t think he should have candy coated it for them but something like “Don’t reach for your guns and I won’t reach for mine” or something similar would have sufficed…

  • Tin

    I agree the cop seemed to be “digging” for something. However, that “is” also a police officers job and all part of the process of making a determination. I also believe what the officer said is very true; while it is within our right to open carry, it aggravates those that are either afraid of guns or do not like 2-A at all. The more we aggravate those against gun eights, the harder they will work to have our rights removed. The scariest scenario would be an anti-gun advocate exercising their right to carry, then using that right to martyr themselves for their cause…

  • Kevin T.

    While in principal you are right, that doesn’t change the world we live in… You said it yourself, the majority of society are sheep. That same majority if we keep ramming it down their throat will make life hell for us… Don’t get me wrong, I support open carry and concealed. I do both depending on the situation. I just don’t openly carry my AR around town…

    It took a long time for the sheep to get the way they are, they aren’t going to immediately change their views because of two kids carrying an AR down the street.

  • Kevin T.

    While I agree with you, I’d like to add… Even though when I choose to open carry I should expect police contact (honestly only happened once in several years of carrying), how those officers respond is increasingly becoming inappropriate…

    These guys, while not perfect, were a relief to see. Most videos posted involving confrontations are a complete mess, typically by both parties involved.

  • Grizzly907

    For one thing the cop was out of line for threatening him. Granted the guy carrying an AR15 out in public is idiotic, though I can understand where the cop is coming from. This guy would of been better off and smarter open carrying a handgun on his side. That would garner much more respect and wouldn’t freak the cops out. He does hurt the movement by freaking people out.

  • Ian Pickett

    I get it. Cops don’t have an easy job. But if
    you take the time and watch this video you will see that the man
    carrying the weapon isn’t hurting the 2nd Amendment “cause” as this cop
    claims (in the midst of proclaiming he’s pro 2nd Amendment
    but acting in complete opposition of it). Instead, what hurts the 2nd
    Amendment is this cop and his goons actions and theirs alone.

    The cop lectures the man that if he were to walk into a public place
    people would “freak out” which is probably true. But not because this
    guy is carrying a long gun but because they have been conditioned to
    fear a long gun and because instead of arming and training themselves
    they put their fate and their right to self defense in the hands of the
    government.

    This cops actions only bolster that fear, coddle
    it and further erode the right to bear arms. By stopping this man, who
    had done NOTHING wrong and interrogating him this cop and his band of
    morons only helped strengthen the fears of citizens that this man and
    men like him are a threat. He “coddled” them instead of insisting that
    they begin to protect themselves.

    His threats to shoot this
    guy in the head (twice) are exactly that, threats and they are an abuse
    of power under the color of authority. He posed no threat, in fact, he
    was simply exercising his right. A right people have become conditioned
    to fear. Yeah, the cop spoke to him really nicely, but I have heard lots
    of people say out of line and threatening things in a calm tone. I ask
    you, what would have happened had the citizen said “You are stopping me
    with no cause and if you make any moves for your weapons I will shoot
    you”? Because as it stands, the only people doing anything to violate
    the law this day….were the police themselves.

    As I said
    before. I get it, the cops face assholes all of the time, threats as
    well. But guess what, this guy was displaying no threatening behavior up
    to and during his stop and the cop would never have faced any threat at
    all, had he not unconstitutionally stopped and interrogated this
    citizen.

    Semper Fi…..to the OATH!

  • weak

    Cops FEAR LONG Guns!

  • Mark Williamson

    They could have saved a lot of time by asking them up front if they were affiliated with the CIA. The CIA has done such a good job of convincing people that anyone with a gun is dangerous. This has been counter productive to living our lives as happy and safe citizens. Good job, you f***** whacko, CIA monkeys. You have inconvenienced us, but we are only getting started explaining to you how things work in America. We will reccon things and you will be sorted out, PERSONALLY! Stop shooting people in public places for money. That makes you killers for hire. As agents of the CIA who engage in false flag shootings (or FBI), there is no higher purpose that you are serving. You are not ushering in some new age of slimmed down population adjustment or any other bullshit that your handlers have told you. Did you really think that we were going to fall for your theater forever and ever, and then quietly hand over our guns and march happily into prison camps to be executed by your disgusting ilk! You kill, you will, eventually, meet a violent end. AND WE WILL EVENTUALLY FIND YOU!!

  • anonymus

    Please, try to improve your arguments! Thank you!

  • Golden Eagle

    This Headline is a LIE : “Pro-Second Amendment Officer…” Threatening two adults that he knows are within the law with shots to the head? Repeatedly insulting them. That is not pro-2A!

  • Daniel A. Erskine

    How to respond to the questioning by the police officer:
    Q#1, Am I being detained or am I free to go?
    Q#2, What law have I broken?
    End of discussion!
    The police officers actions violated this citizens rights to keep and bare arms as stated in the 2nd amendment of the constitution of these united states of America.

  • jags1984

    Why the commentary from the cop? Who cares what he thinks? Just do your job sounds like an old hag scolding her husband.

  • jags1984

    Get your fat ass our cop and stop real crime.

  • jags1984

    White people need to get used to seeing this as blacks are usually the only ones with hidden guns.

  • jags1984

    Cop sounded like an old hag wife. Just do the job.

  • Boob

    WTF the cop wasnt being a dick….. if a person reaches for his gun, the cop will shoot the person im sure every single one of you saying this cop is a dick would do the exact same thing…. Sorry but thats self defense when some madman is baout to end your life, take you away from your precious family. Think before you write a comment and make an assumption that hes a dick. Hes doing his job.

  • Boob

    The cop actually is smart. and explains every single thing necesary. What are you all going to assume this cops not going to reach for his weapon and try to shoot the cop? A police officer has no chance nor time to think why the person is reaching for his weapon, thats the signal the person will attack and the officer will shoot to kill! There is no time to think about that. Sadly there is no other choice when facing a madman.

  • Anthony Bouchard

    What a joke…this isn’t a pro-gun police officer. This is a gestapo exercise!

  • Boob

    Honestly tell me all of you who say this cop is a dick, would you say the same thing bout the police force if you were a cop and you had some madman pull a gun out on you? I would never think so, youd shoot him down immediately in the head. Sadly its another life taken away and more violence to this world, but its either you get taken from your family, or they take you away. And with a gun situation/scenario they dont have a single nanomoment to even start to think about if that person is crazy or sane and just abiding the law… Many kids have been shot over cops thinking they have a real gun and a gun is a gun. Its a very powerful sometimes stupid and reduntant tool fo defense

  • Boob

    Great all my comments got deleted but in short.. if you are a police officer simple question. Would you risk getting your own self killed over trying to figure out if that person putting his hand on the gun is good or bad? Its either you or the idiot who decided its better to pull a gun out on you and spread more violence then to stop it at the heart of it all.. our own heart… Totally stupid to say this officer was a dick. This gentleman was describing that worst case scenario when someone reaches for a weapon you shoot to kill. Idc who you are. if you are a cop 99% of you would take back your statements if not 100%. Thats just rude and soo misguiding as to what this cop was really trying to relay and do. Hes saying FFS dudes quit carrying a 500 foot shotgun in public… its not mad max apocalypse its normal life and people dont know gun laws normally… at least 15 people will call you per block that you walk with that weapon the police. And you are not only putting your own life in danger but anyone that you are with and any one in the area… And you all are calling this cop a dick for doing a bright and helpful thing in this community and saying it really nice!? people should really have some more grit when someone talks to them and not get so damn offended. Its real maturity. a true art and reality that is sadly being lost in people who think they are hot shits and just get angry and offended over an officer doing his simple job? cmon people! All my love and namaste! Hope one day evil is rid off of this planet…

  • MarSec

    Amazing professionals. These officers have my respect!

  • TheGoodstuff

    All of the crap people are spewing on here are idiots. If these two guys were walking in my neighborhood they wouldn’t last two hours without being killed, and for what? To make a point or a video?

  • Nick

    If the officer cuffed him and put him in the car to check his id you people would cry foul. So he doesn’t and you still cry foul. What, is he to assume that no one is breaking the law and not check the situation out? He was being respectful yet firm while clearly telling the man what he was doing. Safety is priority #1 to any officer who is approaching a scene with a firearm present. These two jack asses are going to get our rights taken away. Don’t think it can happen? All it takes is a 2/3 majority vote to repeal an ammendment and tada we no longer have the right to bear arms.

  • Marvin Knoll

    Cop being a cop as in I have a badge I’m better than you therefore I can threaten to kill you, harass you, and waste your time, a badge DOES NOT make a person better, smarter, or mean they have better judgement than YOU, there as son many chicken people out there that are scared of anything and everything, in this day and age we should be making police 1000X more accountable for their actions instead of handing them power all willy nilly, there’s a whole litany of things the police can do to you that lands you in jail, they can lie to you, they can smack people around with little to no justification, they can stop you demand your “papers”, they can “sell” you “fake” drugs and charge you as if those “drugs” were real, they can stop you at so called “check points” and harass and harangue and once again demand your paper and “prove” that you are a citizen, we are ALL treated as criminals as soon as they show up whether or not there is ANY criminal activity present.

  • wildman

    unlike most of the scumbag cocksuckers wearing a tin badge

  • Daniel A. Erskine

    “Don’t think it can happen?”
    It’s not likely Nick. I don’t think you under stand the process that was set up by the founders of our country to protect our rights,
    A right not exercised is a right lost

  • smitty195

    Thank you for proving Doc’s point quite nicely.

  • smitty195

    Take it to which court, specifically?

  • globeflyer

    Very stereotypical “cop” language to keep using the “shoot you in the head” phrase. Also, very unprofessional to lecture the guy for that length of time. (There are many police officers who are in their line of work for the wrong reason.) But on the other hand, I agree it was not smart to be walking around with a long gun in a non-hunting environment. Both could have done much better in my opinion. Common sense is not so common.

  • Lena Simeone

    No crime and rights are games ? and Detained for WHAT?

  • Lena Simeone

    IN the Long Run CCW and Open carry RUIN our RIGHTS??? WHAT IF???

  • Serf12

    cause when i commit crimes or am trying to be shady, i obey the law up until the last second. too risky to put that in my jacket, especially in a no gun zone.

  • Charles Morgan

    Mine is on my hip so doubt he will b faster on the draw! Also if an officer doesn’t want to be shot and killed he shouldn’t fire unless it’s necessary, as in my guns in a holster the officer draws his weapon leaving the open carry citizen the legal option to answer his questions to a point and walking away. Your talking about a killer with a gun on his hip well the cop should b faster or quit his job cause the fat ass will get killed out here. I’ll carry as I see fit, it’s more dangerous to conceal. And better to have it in the open so u know who is carrying.

  • Brian

    If I was store or a gas station or on the street and saw someone with a gun strapped over his shoulder, I would not think he was going to shoot someone or hold up the store. If he had it held in a threating manor then that would be a different thing all together.

  • Charles Morgan

    I carry legally according to 2a y do I have to get a pussy hide a gun license from our Communist government? So that’s legal well open carry is legal as well idiots, and unless ur retarded u know the rate of crime in the pd is usually higher than the community they serve. Dallas pd has a higher dui rate than the city of Dallas. I carry to protect my family and myself because I don’t trust your saviour cops to do it for me,in fact they’ll need me before I need them!

  • Brian

    Why should it be said that the cop showed great restraint? A cop doing his job is suppose to be respectful.

  • Hero Hertz

    When someone claims to be “pro Second Amendment” I am quite circumspect. That is the usual term used by phony gunnies who also claim they grew up with guns, served in the military, or like hunting.

  • Travis Augustine

    Actually I have no problem with police provided they do their jobs. In this case this officer took it upon himself to lecture, bully, and demean someone who was exercising their rights. Simple observation would’ve established that these guys were harmless. From there quick contact could’ve been made in a respectful manner to inform them that there had been complaints. This officer instead decided to take it upon himself to lecture this individual, bully him, and threaten him multiple times. He is letting his badge goto his head.

  • Travis Augustine

    It isn’t a threat to inform someone that you will shoot them if they make a move towards their weapon…once. To inform them of that repeatedly however is bullying.

    Yes officers die in the line of duty all the time. That’s one of the risks of their chosen profession. If they don’t like it maybe they should find a different job.

    As for being an idiot, well I’ve been called worse by those who don’t understand the way the world works so you can believe what you will. I am capable of assessing a situation and deciding if its safe for me to walk up to someone holding a gun. That AR was slung across his back and essentially no threat. The way his hands were, the pistol he had wasn’t much of one either. I would’ve been watching while approaching but I never would’ve been afraid.

  • Travis Augustine

    Keli see my reply above to CaptainInsano.

    It isn’t a threat to inform someone that you will shoot them if they make a move towards their weapon…once. To inform them of that repeatedly however is bullying.

    Yes officers die in the line of duty all the time. That’s one of the risks of their chosen profession. If they don’t like it maybe they should find a different job.

    As for being an idiot, well I’ve been called worse by those who don’t understand the way the world works so you can believe what you will. I am capable of assessing a situation and deciding if its safe for me to walk up to someone holding a gun. That AR was slung across his back and essentially no threat. The way his hands were, the pistol he had wasn’t much of one either. I would’ve been watching while approaching but I never would’ve been afraid.

  • Guest

    I used to live there. My interactions with the cop that did most of the talking has always been very cordial. I wish I could say the same with the rest of the department.

  • metallicknight2 .

    I used to live in Neenah. My interactions with the that cop has always been very cordial. And yes, I’m pro 2nd amendment… but that kid was freaking dumb. That cop was 100% right.

  • carl

    Talk about an overacting female officer, they know what these stupid kids are doing already, so I don’t think she should be reacting like she is. I can understand what the officer saying because people are paranoid. Its probably not a good idea to run around in a populated area with a rifle. But in all it is legal to do.but theres an old saying don’t flaunt it if you don’t have to.

  • Ruger Fan

    “We are the good guys..and we are here to protect you”

  • http://www.timetogobama.com/ TIMETOGObama

    Unnecessary moves? He committed no crime and posed no threat, yet you find it okay for the police officer to tell him that he will shoot him in the head.

  • Dean Former lee

    The people that called the cops about this ought to be fined for taking the patrol’s time from actually protecting the citizens of Neenah. Cops suggesting that they will shoot you in the head are not going about their business properly. I disagree with you about how great these cops were. I have been in that little town a number of times. I lived in Wisconsin for 50 years. Cops everywhere are becoming emboldened to be dicks by the government.

    Bottom line on this is the cops shouldn’t threaten to shoot you in the head or anywhere else unless you are doing something wrong and people that call the cops for this sort of thing should be corrected from such stupid behavior.

  • Random visitor

    At least he didn’t roll up, and open up, on sight…. sadly that appears to be too often the standard operating procedure these days.. so I give him Credit for that … and also being clear what the result of panic … or stupidity would be…Kudos to all involved!

  • MDK THOR 221

    Personal opinions of this officer should play no role in doeing his job. At no point should the officer’s personal feelings about whether the individuals should or shouldn’t be open carrying entered into the conversation. The officer went above and beyond in explaining about the recent shooting. However, my thought is are the officers allowing personal feelings and opinions to dictate how they are performing their duties? One could argue both ways with this conversation. However they were looking for a reason to arrest those guys. The conversation off to the side proves that. The problem was they coldn’t prove anything . Again the cop made the right decision on that. And a person choses to open carry as is legal in states, they as individuals need to know the laws pertaining to that in the place they are going to be carrying in. The part about 1000 feet in a school area was not relayed to either of the guys. There is much more probability of being shot by somebody with a concealed weapon than a person walking down the street with a long rifle across his BACK. Again I understand the reason why the cop stopped them. But keep the personal thoughts and opinions out of it and do the job as it is suppose to be done.

  • Thomas LaRochelle

    Dillon Clark, you are probably another idiot who would pull a stunt just like this. Wouldn’t you feel a little weird if people were staring at you all the time because you are carrying a weapon like you are back in the wild west? Maybe you just crave the attention and think that you are tuff for making everyone else nervous. People don’t know you and they don’t know your intentions so of course they are going to think you’re up to no good if you’re carrying a rifle in a populated area. So you got a gun, big deal! Do you think that a guy with a pistol couldn’t draw on you before you un-slung your long gun? It is just plain un-practical! Everybody knows about the second amendment, you don’t have to prove it to people just to be an ass.
    Also, that cop was way more polite than I would’ve been. I would’ve had the guy on the ground face down and dis-armed him before I started checking him out. He wants attention? He would’ve gotten it. Not cooperating and giving the information that was asked was stupid to, even though it may be your right, cooperating above and beyond would only help the situation. Not cooperating makes you suspect!
    As for telling him he would shoot him if he made a move, he was just schooling him on what the police are taught to do. They are not looking to get shot by some psycho carrying a rifle around in public just for the fun of it. He just let him know what would happen if he did make a move, hopefully putting some sense into the guys head.
    I have a gun and believe in my second amendment rights, but like the officer said, it is you fanatic idots who have to push the envelope and put our rights at risk.
    The real law abiding citizens who believe in their gun rights have their permits and their guns and carry them concealed for protection without anyone else knowing are the ones who really know what it means to have the right to bare arms. Not walk around like some stupid redneck intimidating innocent people.

  • Quagmire86

    OK, for those that are calling the cop a “D*ck”, I disagree. He was taking charge of a situation with a “Type A personality”. He was taking command of an encounter even though, IMO, he was skirting factual basis of the law. The two guys they stopped, if they want to continue to do this, need to be able to quote state and federal law and case law as if it were their first language. They seem to be too sheepish in their responses. If one is going to do this, one better know their stuff to counter any police encounter. Although, I must give the kid props for countering the officer’s statement about the city enacting an ordinance affecting 2nd Amendment rights (State pre-emption law).
    The kid had many opportunities to retort the officer’s assumptions and personal opinions; by quoting established law. For example: the officer made the statement that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. The kid should have replied with, “A right not exercised is a right lost”. (If they want to play the “Quote” game). Again, the officer implied that the police are employed to protect people. In a way, that is true. But the SCOTUS has ruled that police have no duty to protect. In many cases, they are there to investigate a crime after it has already occurred. So, the onus of protection of one’s self, lies solely upon the individual citizen.
    Some of the comments the officer made about walking into a gas station with a rifle bothered me. If the person with a rifle was not brandishing or threatening people as he walked in; drawing on him (as a CCW holder) would land that CCW’er in prison. Since the right to open carry is legal and both parties were in a place they were legally allowed to be.
    As a side note, the (assumed to be rookie) female officer, at low-gun ready during the whole encounter really irritated me. The kids showed that they were not threatening, disrespectful or unruly. She should have holstered her weapon after 5 minutes.

  • allen

    really dude has a ccw and walks around with a long gun with all the school shootings the cops are 100 in the right this is bad for all of us

  • Quagmire86

    Thomas:
    You said, “Everybody knows about the 2nd Amendment…”. If that were the case, (2nd Amendment and Wisconsin’s Constitutional law), there would have been no calls to the police because “Open Carry” is legal.
    If you were the cop you would have him face down? Under what pretense of current law would necessitate that? According to state law, open carry is legal. They were not causing a disturbance nor were they brandishing their weapons in a manner to alarm (to an educated person). Just because some uninformed citizen made a complaint about these guys, does not in any fashion or form, suggest that a crime was committed and these guys were suspected of committing any crime. If an officer does not suspect a crime has been committed and the person they stop has committed said crime, even under probable cause, a citizen does not have to supply ID. If it is not a investigative stop, the citizen is free to go on their way.
    Furthermore, you mention “Their permits”. Where did these permits come from? The state? I feel that permitting process is an infringement against the 2nd Amendment.

  • Heath Barrett Bolam

    fuck the pigs…we have a right to travel with open carry…tough shit if anti-gun assholes call the police…the dispatcher needs to explain that open carry is 100% LEGAL…SO THEY HAVE NO REASON TO STOP SOMEONE WHO HAS NOT BROKEN A LAW…

  • mcpaige tds.net

    Are you high? He threatened to shoot him in the head!

  • Quagmire86

    I disagree. In reference to the school shootings you cite, specifically Newtown, Lanza broke 42 established laws that were on the books. Do you think that a 43rd law would have stopped him or have second thoughts on his dastardly deeds?

  • Guest

    WHY ARE YOU OPEN CARRYING???? BECAUSE ITS THE LAW YOU STUPID ASSHOLE COP

  • Quagmire86

    Watch the “Pig” reference. Many cops believe in open carry and constitutional law. But I agree completely that the dispatchers should school the chicken littles about established law.

  • Larry Jackson

    I FULLY support the Second Amendment and even open carry although I prefer to carry concealed. One thing I do not support, even though I think we have the right to do so, is open carrying a long gun! There is no need for that and it caused nothing but problems. There is a time and place for everything. If you are in an organized march with signs and with LEO notification then a long gun is acceptable. Just walking around on your own it is completely unnecessary and will only cause problems. Use some common sense.

  • Heath Barrett Bolam

    How do they justify stopping anyone for NOT breaking a law??????

  • Martin Edmonds

    Did you bother watching the video?

  • NavyDave219

    The officer was completely right. I am pro 2nd Amendment and have a lifetime CCW license and carry when ever I leave my home. But I disagree with people wanting to act like cowboys and walk around with their rifles over their shoulder. The general public even mature minded pro 2nd Amendment does not feel comfortable with rifles in plain sight. Now I understand doing so may not be meant to scare or harm but all these people do is hurt the 2nd Amendment. Just legally carry your firearm and be happy instead of being a bunch of dicks.

  • lp

    the cop did an excellent job with these guys and i agree with him that they are hurting us who have carry permits bcz of his extreme action. you have to use common sense and these guys dont show any. the cop is 100% right when he says someone like me who carries could see him with a rifle and make a quick decision that we may both regret, in these times of insanity you will be DEAD wrong if the next guy in the street isnt with good intentions and this type of demonstration makes us look like idiots with a gun.

  • Tommy

    Who in their right mind that was a criminal would just stroll down the road with a friend and guns on them would be about to commit a crime. I would say if a criminal were about to commit a crime with a firearm they would probably have it covered up completely in order to not draw attention to themselves. I do understand why police are being careful at this time but that is mostly the main stream media’s fault for covering this stuff like it has never happened before or as if someone couldn’t do a mass stabbing with a knife.

  • ThatGuy

    Everyone is Racist! okay have a good day

  • Michael Napier

    i think more people should do this and yes i think just because we can do it it is a very good choice to do this screw that cop i dont believe he is pro 2nd amendment at all he just knows he cant do anything about it

  • BobBarker555

    The cop is smart, and is on the right path, but his solutions are wrong. I know SEVERAL police that would not care one way or another how you carry your weapon.

  • Scott Gist

    Wow, as a cop I am trained to shoot center mass. Good luck with the head shot.

  • terrorist96

    If exercising his right of carrying a long gun is going to cause people to ban carrying long guns, then you never had that right to begin with.. So I don’t understand the cop’s logic.

  • Sharon Kidwell

    I thought the cops were great! The boys were not going hunting – nor were they protecting their property and they were not being threatened of harm. They were just making a statement “it is my right”. Yes, they have a right, but I also agree that they will hurt the rest of us and our right to carry or have a gun. The liberals want to take our guns from us and they view this as threatening. I would be a little concerned myself if I saw kids walking around with guns and rifles over their shoulders and I am from an area where I see guns a lot. Usually when people have exposed guns they are out hunting for deer or other animals, or they might have a gun in their car but have a concealed weapons permit, but you don’t see them waiving it around. They are lucky they got such nice police officers; most would have slammed them against the car and taken their weapons.
    I hope these kids wise up and realize that just because you have a right doesn’t mean you have to abuse that right and this is what they were doing. They were out there saying, without saying, “It is my right to have a gun and I’m gonna show you”. In the wake of all these shootings in our schools, theaters, and military bases it would be a wise thing to leave you gun at home if it is not needed. Some people may not take as kindly to it as these officers did.

  • Jackson Caldwell

    This kids an idiot, trying to provoke police into a bad confrontation and show how much he knows about his rights(which is why he brought his camera). You CAN abuse your rights. Thats what this kid is doing. Thankfully the cop did everything by the book, which is why it took 18 minutes(for you douchbags who where bitching about the time frame). He didnt harass the kid, just wanted to make sure he wasnt dangerous. The last thing anyone wants is a guy exercising his 2nd amendment to walk into a grocery store and shoot a bunch of people because everyone assumed he was on the level.

  • Jackson Caldwell

    Because police are there for public safety. Thats their job, which is why they get to carry ter firearms everywhere. They wherent digging for anything. They where teaching these guys a valuable lesson.

  • Jackson Caldwell

    That wasnt the ready position, nice try though.

  • Jackson Caldwell

    But how do YOU know where he was going? Without stopping to question him, he may of very well been on his way to hurt someone.

  • Jackson Caldwell

    Na, hes teaching this punk kid a lesson about abusing his 2nd amendment right. You want to carry a long gun around when every month theres another shooting? People are going to complain, and the police are going to do their job and check it out. For all they knew, this guy couldve been under the influence.

  • Jackson Caldwell

    lol. watch out we got a tough guy!

  • M Allen Prepper

    I agree with the point the police were making. They made it is very clear that they are trying to work with him within their boundries. They had no problem with the CC weapons, but in my opinion, open carry is not well thought out in many of these who demonstrate as these two did.

  • Davey_Big_Kraken

    The cop was rather…excessive with the whole “shoot you in the head thing”. That said, the weapon carrier WAS creating a dangerous situation for himself and others. These days, if some random guy walked into a public establishment carrying a rifle it isn’t entirely unreasonable to believe someone with a CCP wouldn’t immediately identify this armed individual as a threat to the people there and start shooting – hopefully nobody will be accidentally killed in the crossfire. The fact of the matter is that people like this, while being 100% law abiding citizens are LEGALLY creating dangerous situations for both themselves and everyone around them. It was a patronizing cop, but the point WAS legitimate. Then again I’m one of those odd people who will take advice from people I don’t like if its valid.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    Respectfully, that line of thinking, ‘don’t rock the boat’ is what got us where we are now. Continuing to do the same thing changes NOTHING. If anything, it enables and emboldens those that seek to destroy us.
    The people are generally sheep. They never developed cognitive, critical reasoning skills in public “education” training. So they do what they are trained to do. Blindly worship the government. Police included.
    So, my point that I keep making, is it’s the government, on both sides, causing fear and panic. On one end with the schools, and on the other… When someone calls and does as they’ve been trained to do, and scram, “OMG HE’S GOT A GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!! POLICE HELP US!!!!”
    The right thing for the police to do is, “Okay, is there an emergency? Having a gun isn’t illegal. Sir, you know it’s a felony to make frivolous 911 calls.”
    The ONLY way to stop this is to drag it out of the shadows, in to the daylight, slice it nave to chops, and spill it’s entrails out into the street for all to see.

    Doing what YOU are suggesting, again, that’s the behavior that enabled and emboldened these things to happen.
    Not exercising your rights is aiding and abetting those that seek to destroy them.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    I don’t understand how people can sit there, lay down, play dead, show your big, soft, belly, and beg to not loose your rights. We’ve been doing that for nearly 100 years. How’s that been working out now?

    When a criminal comes to take what you have with force, would you not fight? Or would you lay down and just HOPE that he doesn’t take what you have? Never in history has that happened nor will it ever happen. The same goes for your civil rights.
    Criminals, in uniforms or otherwise, have it in their heads that they are going to strip you of every single right. Especially the right to life. So what are you going to do? Lay on you back like a puppy and hope they ignore YOU and move on to another target? Or is it like a mugging? These criminals threaten you, put your life in direct jeopardy, until you hand over your rights? What are you going to do? Surrender, hand over your rights, and just pray that they don’t kill you? I can think of more than 6,000,000 reasons why that’s a stupid idea.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    Too long have these atrocities been committed in darkness. Too long have these people had the power to bury the truth. It’s time to drag these criminals into the light for the world to see.
    Unless you’re against openly displaying these atrocities too. For fear that you might loose your right to do that as well.

    I got news for you sunshine, the government has already “legitimized” stripping you of all your rights via executive action. The government has already put a ‘kill switch’ on the ONLY effective tool we have to make these things known.

    Never in history has ANY government given people rights, liberty, or freedom. They have to be earned. Taken by force and kept by force. THAT, my friend, is the whole point to the second amendment. And why things like this need to happen en masse.

  • Kraznov

    If you consider infowars or the oathkeeprs to be anything other than radical and hurting the second amendment cause, you may need to get an education.

    This is not a police state, this is a world that we live in that consists of probably more criminals and crazy anti-government nut-jobs. Those cops were 100% in their right to preform those actions and “harass”, probably a couple of infowars watchers.

  • Ben Madderom

    The citizen should have told the cop that if he goes for his gun, he’ll be shot in the head. I don’t see how a cop’s life is more valuable than either of theirs.

  • earnest.roberts

    anti-gun liberal leftist retards are too cowardly to die for such a cause.. they know in their heart of hearts they are cowards and that they deserve a cowards lifestyle… they will never die for a cause.. they only whine incessantly never really producing or creating anything. When I sense a liberal, Oxygen thief comes to mind :-)

  • Ben Madderom

    Fuck this cop. He’s a moron.

  • Djustin Stephens

    don’t exercise your rights , you might OFFEND someone. don’t PRAY to Jesus, you might OFFEND a atheist , don’t eat pork, drink alcohol, or wear a tank top, you might offend a muslim . you are only a patriot if you defend others rights . gun drawn?! that is wrong . if my gun is holstered, keep yours holstered. i don’t agree they are good cops just because THEY SAID ” we support the second amendment” . I can’t stand open carry people in states where concealed is easy and legal, but i will NOT DISSUADE THEM FROM EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS.

  • Seth A. Yellin

    He was letting him know the protocol in case the guy was unaware that he should not reach for a weapon as it can become a safety issue. I normally bump into bad videos of Police but this man was very clear and very respective.

  • Seth A. Yellin

    I normally bump into bad videos of Police but this man was very clear and very respective. Thank you for doing your job respectively.
    ~Namaste.Bless~

  • Seth A. Yellin

    You’re probably a “Dick.”

  • Tom Hawver

    Listen again Dillon. He was being the furthest thing from a dick.

  • Chaos

    What is with this cop and head shots he sound like he plays Call of Duty or something!

  • Chaos

    The cop was a ass! Oh Head shot this and head shot that.

  • PeeWee

    Wrong. Every cop I have had this diuscussion with says the firearms they carry are for THEIR protection. Not mine. Not yours. But their protection.And when I got my CCL, the officer who interviewed me said that he wished MORE citizens woudl take the safety courses and carry concealed as it woudl make their jobs easier.

  • Aaron Favaloro

    First off I appreciate your service Hank and I totally agree about people being so offended that they all act like they’ve got vaginas, but until we get back to a different place it is important to use some tact and not piss off these people that can and will vote to have our rights removed. I stand ready to fight with my brothers and sisters to uphold our constitutional rights should it come to that, but it would be my prayers that it would not come to that, so we might need to show some restraint in doing something just because we can. I would think that someone who has spent time in war would also want to handle things in any other way than fighting.

  • Aaron Favaloro

    My wife is a nurse and if she is spotted in a situation that she could have helped with and did not she can lose her license and face fines and being sued by the family. That would be the least of your worries in a situation for someone like you should I know that you held a concealed weapon and did nothing to help someone else when you could. Man up and if you carry to defend the innocent such as your family and yourself then be a real man and defend the defenseless when they cannot.

  • Seth A. Yellin

    Which will never happen, we hope. :P
    ~Namaste.Bless~

  • Seth A. Yellin

    Anything is possible.
    ~Namaste.Bless~

  • Seth A. Yellin

    He was educating and putting it into his mind. This cop is one of the small handful of nice cops I have seen so far from the many videos I have seen of officers.
    ~Namaste.Bless~

  • Steve Csi

    The officer should stick to the constitution and not his opinion. The public needs to educate themselves on the constitution as well.

  • Adam Nelson

    I will NOT tolerate any man or woman, cop or not, to draw a weapon on me for exercising my rights in a peaceful manner. Motherfuckers are asking for war against the militias at that point. We may not have fancy toys or vehicles, but we’ll fight with the fierceness of the wolverine and you’ll never see us coming. We’ll make our moves when you feel safe and then disappear in the night like ghosts. For any cop out there, I fucking dare you, fuck with me and my rights. You’ll get an early grave. (Sources) Founding Fathers and the U.S. Constitution

  • Aaron Favaloro

    You keep telling yourself that, lol. You should only hope you get a great cop like the one in the video.

  • Jackson Caldwell

    The cop is hired to try to keep people safe. So its his JOB to question this guy to make sure hes on the level.

  • Seth A. Yellin

    I’ve never been to France but they have some very nice people, great art, etc. It’s good to protect yourself but if all you think about is protection I think you’re too scared of life as well. There are things in extremism and anything can be labeled as such. Believe me, I live in Miami, FL. which is somewhat a shit-hole and I don’t carry a gun for all the shit going on with even horrible driving by a good handful, but I have my Marine brother at home with one. I believe in more basic weapons but I’m not anti-gun either since guns still exist with criminals but if criminals didn’t have guns then of course this world would be far better off.

    ~Namaste.Bless~

  • Steve Csi

    You’re just a pus because you don’t have the guts to get out there and teach the public what they need to know. This is done all across the United States and regardless of your pus opinion, neighborhoods enjoy the added protection, and believe it or not, some areas even had a drop in crime rates. Learned the constitution and grow a set.

  • Seth A. Yellin

    It’s good to protect yourself but if all you think about is protection I think you’re too scared of life as well. There are things in extremism and anything can be labeled as such. Believe me, I live in Miami, FL. which is somewhat a shit-hole and I don’t carry a gun for all the shit going on with even horrible driving by a good handful, but I have my Marine brother at home with one. I believe in more basic weapons but I’m not anti-gun either since guns still exist with criminals but if criminals didn’t have guns then of course this world would be far better off, though the Earth is going to shit and has 20 million+ estimated meteors, 100k+ estimated asteroids, Fukushima, etc. etc. etc.

    Take care,
    Kind regards,

    ~Namaste.Bless~

  • Rusty Shackleford

    The Supreme Court has held, more than 40 times that you are completely within your right to use lethal force if necessary against a cop if they are assaulting you, wrongfully arresting you, etc…

    http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm

  • Rusty Shackleford

    It’s never anyone’s job to harass, threaten, or oppress anyone else. Ever.
    Especially a cop.
    That’s called ‘abuse of power under the color of authority’ and ‘official misconduct’.

  • Adam Nelson

    I rest my case. I’m a peaceful man and I don’t believe in violence, but if cops, feds or others fuck with me, they will suffer my wrath

  • Mike Little

    What would you have done in the position of the officer? If they received a call or a complaint, they have a duty to investigate. Yes, he has a right to open carry, but how do you know he is not a convicted felon or someone on their way to blast their wife’s lover, or worse yet, someone off their meds on their way to shoot up a school. It is a scary situation for all involved, the officer included. They want to go home to their family that night. There are some places where cops would have just came in and shot his ass. As for saying he will shoot him in the head, a little over the top, he could have chosen better words. However, you have to make someone understand the situation he has put himself in, yes he can carry and I am a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment. They, meaning the federal government are trying to take our constitutional rights away on a daily basis, not the officer on the street. We need more educated officers, not just monkeys with guns which is what a lot of them are.

  • Mike Little

    And here is another take on this. If you are a law abiding citizen, what is the problem with showing him your ID so we know you are not a felon. Fine, you don’t consent to searches, just tell him your name, let him run a check and be done with it. No you don’t have to submit to a search and no you don’t have to ID yourself. But why would you refuse to just let him know who you are so you can set his mind at ease, he can let dispatch know who you are, run a check and make sure you are not some jackass.ready to kill some innocent people. All you are doing is prolonging your encounter which could then turn deadly.

  • Mike Little

    Because many LEO’s are out there defending your rights to life liberty and the pursuit of all of your Chinese made trinkets while you sit on your couch eating Bon-Bons and drinking Budweiser and watching NASCAR. They put their life on the line every day trying to protect people. It is a tough job where you become jaded and start to think that everyone in society is dirty. you see the kids who are molested and killed, the wife’s who are beaten, the old person left in their bed while their kids suck up their retirement and SSI while they die a slow, painful and agonizing death because of neglect. Or the douche-bag that killed his wife who was a beautiful woman 9 months pregnant and stuffed in a suitcase. There are so many good ones out there and all people do is spout their negative bullshit about the few bad ones. I have more stories than I would even care to share and chose not to work the streets. Yes, your stolen car stereo is so important, I get it, it is all about you.

  • Tony Darnell

    The officer makes the point that hoplophobes (those who have a phobia of weapons) will be so outraged and/or horrified by the practice of open carry that they will push to have laws enacted so as to ban it. There are a couple of things wrong with this argument. First, if I cannot exercise a right out of the fear that someone will pass a law against it, the right is effectively lost already. Secondly, I would like to point out that gay marriage is now legal in many states because gays openly, publicly and habitually demonstrated affection for one another. People, many of whom might have been defined as homophobic, became desensitized to it. I believe that if more and more people open carried, the same kind of thing could happen to the hoplophobes. Open carry, or at least a less fearful attitude toward firearms could become the new norm.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    Because that would be a violation of your 4th amendment rights. Moron.

  • liberalssuck

    Lets see as a police officer he showed have checked the totally of the situation. The long arm was slung across the back not in the front. So again this officer used a lot of bs. So again an officer exceeding his authority. the gentleman was exercising his rights. Maybe time for cops to educate the morons calling in panicking.

  • Quagmire86

    Mike:
    Because (in your scenario) the presumption of guilt over innocence has been established. Do you think that any cop can pull you over, while driving and committing no traffic offense, just for the mere fact of checking to see if you have a valid driver’s license? Unless you are suspected of committing a crime, you do not have to supply ID.

  • Quagmire86

    Jackson:
    Although the SCOTUS has ruled that police have no duty to protect others. And what job is it, of the cop’s, to stop or question him when he wasn’t breaking any law? Just because he was exercising his constitutional right (and state law condones it too)? Should police pull you over while driving to make sure you are, “On the level” as far as license, registration and insurance even though you didn’t break any traffic law?

  • Elizabeth Marie Simpkins

    the rifle is what many have issues with not pistols which is what the cop stated

  • Quagmire86

    You do understand that many of the members of Oath Keepers are police officers, right?

  • Quagmire86

    Sharon:
    The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting. How can you say they were not protecting their property? Don’t they have their wallets on them, a watch, a cell phone?…that is property. The kids were not waiving their weapons around. Their pistols were holstered and the rifle was slung on their backs. That is not brandishing, it is merely “Bearing”.
    You stated that they have the right but doesn’t mean they have to abuse it. Could not the case be made directly toward you that you are exercising your 1st Amendment right (to express your opinion here) where others who might disagree with you consider that you are abusing your said Right?
    Military bases prohibit anyone other than on duty MP’s to carry a weapon (even if you have a CCW). And finally, your last statement borders on ridiculousness. You said, “…it would be a wise thing to leave your gun at home if it is not needed.” Can I ask you when a person knows when they might need their weapon for self defense? Do criminals and thugs advertise when and in what area they are going to commit a robbery or rape? Is there some social calendar that portends when harm will befall a private citizen? Are guns not needed during daylight hours on weekdays? You tell me when I should carry my gun with me and when I don’t need it because it is somewhat heavy and uncomfortable. If I knew when my life was in danger, I would only carry on those days.

  • Quagmire86

    lp:
    The cop did do a good job of controlling the situation although he allowed his personal opinion interject while he is acting as an agent of the state. Are you saying that common sense over-rides rights and state laws? But the last part of your statement really worries me. If a guy is walking with a rifle on his back (not threatening others, waiving the rifle around or pointing at others) where he has a legal right to be and was not committing a crime; and you drew down on him and shot him (for the simple act of openly carrying) you, would go to prison. To use such force on another, you have to have a reasonable belief that imminent harm or death was about to happen to you. Because there would be witnesses that would say, the other guy was just walking down the street minding his own business and you just drew your gun and shot him.

  • Quagmire86

    Dave:
    I find your last sentence to be confusing. You said, “Just legally carry your firearm and be happy…”. Well, according to federal and Wisconsin state law, open carry is legal. So, those kids were legally carrying their firearms. What is the problem?

  • Quagmire86

    Larry:
    Making notifications to the police that you are going to open carry is tantamount to asking for permission to exercise your right.

  • ihatelibs

    this cop was just making an example out of him by being a douche he was well within his constitutional rights.

  • Orion Dean-John Nilson

    The lady officer needs to holster her dam sidearm. if she can have hers unholstered the two young men should be able to have theirs unholstered as well. Shes is in my eyes making the environment more hostile than it should be. that and the tongue lashings by the officers is uncalled for.

  • Don La Rue

    When the SCOTUS clears open carry(Nichols v Brown) throughout the US….States will be giving out concealed carry permits for free.

  • Matthew Mann

    Before the officers were even summoned, dispatch should have asked the “concerned citizen” who reported the guys with guns if any laws were being broken, and if not – stated that the guys have the right to own and carry firearms and not to call the police again unless there was actually a crime being committed. The proper actions for an officer to take, who has been summoned to a situation such as this, would be to first approach and assess the situation to determine whether the guys with guns appear to be aggressors or just 2A supporters (they were obviously the latter); then, perhaps briefly and politely address the guys to inquire about their activities/intentions; and lastly, tell them, “Keep up the good work and have a nice day,” before visiting the “concerned citizen” who reported the guys and giving that person a lesson on the 2nd Amendment and why they should be thankful that some Americans actually exercise their rights.

  • Mike

    So, you are okay with someone threatening to shoot you in the head when you are carrying out a perfectly legal act as long as the threat is born out of fear? The even tone of the officer doesn’t change the fact that he’s threatening to kill someone purely for being armed.

  • ryan

    “he deals with dangerous people everyday” it’s Neenah Wisconsin

  • OhioUSMCveteran

    False. The cop advised that he would shoot him in the head if he made a move towards the weapon.

  • OmegaMiss

    This police officer need to be training other officers to handle situations just the way he did this one. Love it!!!

  • Joshua Meade

    a police officer has no right to badger a man who is following the law and “educate” him about gun rights. its his right, hes not breaking the law. anything else anyone has to say is pointless beyond that. the police officer was not only rude, but in the wrong for bothering someone who is doing nothing wrong. but hey make excuses for him all you like…i know better than to assume liberals will be the least bit logical.

  • Noneedtoknow

    This cop is no true patriot. How can he claim that these guys, especially the one carrying a rifle is “hurting” us? People can whine, bitch, complain, and cry all they want, The 2nd amendment is the 2nd amendment, it gives no limitation on what arms we are free to carry. Just cause there are a few bad apples or people who wet themselves at the sight of someone who carries in peace, doesn’t mean were all bad. I’ll walk down the street w/ a rifle strapped to my back if I want cause it’s my right and you can’t do anything about it. This cop has a crappy argument to walking into a store, restaurant, gas station, etc. If you shot someone just cause they walked in somewhere w/ a rifle and they aren’t threatening anybody, I’ll be on the side of the of the victim. I seriously doubt anybody who intends to do harm will allow their weapons to be in plain view. How stupid are these cops!?

  • John T Trayne

    If he carried open like that in a real bad area, he would be robbed of his guns.

  • David – FL

    All
    the active shooters and crazies…like the cops shooting family pets,
    kids with toy guns and unarmed teenagers…those crazy active shooters?

  • Keli Grantham Steadham

    The officer didn’t tell him that he would shoot him in the head, period. He said if he made any moves toward his gun, he would shoot him in the head. Tell me, if you were walking up to someone that you had never met, who was walking around with a gun, would you be stupid enough to trust them implicitly? Or would you be wary? I would hope that you would be smart enough to be wary. Would I have maybe said it in a different way? Maybe. Then again, I’ve not walked in this officer’s shoes. I don’t know that someone hasn’t taken a shot at him before, and that he has a perfectly good reason for being distrustful.

  • Keli Grantham Steadham

    Neighbors who know the person, maybe. Neighbors who don’t know the person would be stupid to trust just anyone with a gun.

  • Keli Grantham Steadham

    When is the last time it only took one time to get a point across to an idiot? This officer didn’t know these men.

  • Thomas LaRochelle

    He said that there was a complaint and therefore it was his duty to investigate. He couldn’t just drive by and say oh, they aren’t hurting anybody and go get a donut. He stopped them, question them, and let them go. He never handcuffed them or really even patted them down. Their was no harassment. If you think there was then you are one of those that would back talk and make yourself more suspicious just to raise your point. Stupid. Cooperate fully and be on your way without pissing off an officer and making him want to find something to get you on. Stupid people always want a confrontation.

  • Thomas LaRochelle

    Why was that uncalled for. She was watching her partners six if the guy decided to make a move. You people are so cop-a-phobes. You wouldn’t have protected yourself? You would’ve just sashayed up to the guy and trusted he wouldn’t do anything? You’d be a dead cop!

  • Combat Vet

    I’m very much pro-2nd amendment, but I agree with the cop on this one. I have a CWP and if some guy walked into a public place with an exposed long gun in this day and age, I’d definitely draw down on him. Just because you “can” do something, doesn’t necessarily mean you should.

  • Chad

    Female cop looked like bulletproof tweeker wanting to shoot.

  • Slick Rick

    “Officer Gives Important Lesson To Open Carry Demonstrator” seems the biggest lesson here is that if you exercise your rights you will be harassed & presumed guilty of something until paranoid cops have satisfied their unfounded fears. fukn cops

  • david

    if someone is planning to commit a violent crime with a gun they would not have it in plain sight. this is the most rediculous thing i have ever seen.

  • Richard Storm

    That’s because you’re an idiot. If you draw down on them, that would give them the legal and God given right to shoot you to protect themselves. Yeah, you maybe a vet. So am I. You being a vet and you carrying a concealed weapon don’t make you Wyatt Earp. ;) Besides, someone you draw down on may just be faster than you. However, say that you draw down on them and they draw, too. Say that you win. Well, good luck trying to not be found guilty of murder. FYI: People in Texas carry long guns out in the open all the time. However, you are more than welcome to come over here to “draw down” on every person you see carrying a rifle.. ;) ..Don’t go to Alaska…You’d be drawing down on someone every damn hour, Mr. Earp.. ;)

  • Richard Storm

    If a guy carrying a rifle across his back scares you, don’t blame that guy. Blame your parents, because they raised a pussy.

  • Richard Storm

    The cop needs some education, himself…The cop may not know, but he just violated several constitutional rights. Thus, this cop broke the law. I would be looking to file charges if I was one of those guys..

  • Richard Storm

    No he don’t. He violated several constitutional amendments. He should be facing a week or two in jail, instead.

  • Richard Storm

    There was no need for the cop to harass the guy, in the first place. Instead, that cop violated several constitutional amendments. He should be facing a week or two in jail, instead. Seriously, what would that cop do if the guy with the gun refused to give his name unless “he was being accused of a crime”? What then? It is everyone’s right to remain silent. It is also everyone’s God given right to fight (to the death, if need be) illegal detainment. FYI: Citizens have shot cops, who were trying to illegally detain or gain illegal entry into a house, before…The charges were dropped. Know your facts.

  • Richard Storm

    Watch and learn, Rick Wells…She could teach you a thing or two…You’ll learn why this cop was completely wrong when he “overreacted”. If you disagree with her, I double dare you to go to her Facebook page (Just type Publius Huldah, you’ll find it) and debate her. ;) You’ll lose, that’s a promise. Let me know if you do decide to debate her. I wanna watch her destroy you. :p Anyway, she, herself, does not claim to be a conseravtive or a libertarian. She just claims to be a strict Constitutionalist. She’s also a big fan of Allen Keyes. It would be very unwise of you to try to debate him, too…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn6UJbDm2-c

  • Richard Storm

    Watch and learn, Rick Wells…She could teach you a thing or two…You’ll learn why this cop was completely wrong when he “overreacted”. If you disagree with her, I double dare you to go to her Facebook page (Just type Publius Huldah, you’ll find it) and debate her. ;) You’ll lose, that’s a promise. Let me know if you do decide to debate her. I wanna watch her destroy you. :p Anyway, she, herself, does not claim to be a conseravtive or a libertarian. She just claims to be a strict Constitutionalist. She’s also a big fan of Allen Keyes. It would also be very unwise of you to try to debate him….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn6UJb

  • Joshua Meade

    yep. my only response would be “its my right” to whatever he has to say. watch him slowly explode. police dont like for us to have rights. they do whatever they can to make sure we give those rights up.

  • Quagmire86

    CV:
    If you have a CWP, which is bestowed upon you by the state, and some guy walked into a public place (ie: a place where both of you are legally allowed to be) with an exposed long gun; you say that you would draw down on him. Under what R.O.E., can you cite, would absolve you of escalating a completely legal situation? What if the person carrying the long gun wasn’t a guy? What if it was a woman carrying a pink “Hello Kitty” painted AR? Would you still draw down on her? Drawing down on someone just for the fact of legal-open carry could find you on the wrong side of the law.

  • Me-Myself-n-I

    People do things in hopes of getting a reaction, then are surprised that they get a reaction.

  • Manuel Falcon

    That was stupid what the officer said that someone would get shot just for carrying. What happened to freeze hands where I could see them. What officer would shoot someone for having a firearm slung over their shoulder. I would like to hear from you. It’s one thing if he had it in his hand.

  • Kit Mayrhofen

    Nothing pro 2A about the officer’s reactions here. They were really fishing for an excuse to arrest this guy.

  • Damien

    The police officer was out of line & then the police officer says that a CCW person would shoot him in the head if he was to walk into a store?
    Really?
    Just shows that the police officer thinks that all CCW’s are idiots.

  • Damien

    Oh & to carry a long gun without any ammo is legal & protected by the 2nd Amendment

  • Damien

    I don’t agree.
    CCW’s are a lot smarter than that.

  • Manuel Falcon

    Theres a difference between carrying and carrying in a menacing manner somehow the fat ass cop doesn’t know the difference, and he called himself pro 2nd amendment.

  • William

    I understand the walking around brandishing firearms in the open public as a bit Risky. But if its state allowed and is apart of a state constitution or law, then these officers are in the wrong for stopping and harassing the two open carriers. it is OK for them to stop and check the weapons for safety and handling and verifying that they are just open carrying legally and the weapons are in the rightful owners hands. But the stopping them and telling them that it is “Egregious” to open-carry is harassment. Not only that but threatening the two pedestrians with force of violence for the fact that they are open carrying is equal to Terroristic threats. And to be honest the police should not be the only ones allowd to open carry and brandish firearms in public, that is Egregious in its own self. And the police arent out to protect and serve, Average response time for 911 PD/FIRE/EMS is 10-15 minutes. unless by stroke of luck there happens to be first response (PD) close by. so the belief that there is no need for personal protection because you have a PD or SPF in your area is Null and void.

  • Ed Welsh

    From the outset, it was evident that this guy was posing NO threat. Imho, the police had no call to have weapons drawn. A person with no training at all could easily access a holstered handgun and defend him/herself before that rifle could be unslung and pose a threat.

  • http://rosiewolf.com/ ROSIEWOLF

    i shared ;this post but NOT for why u think.. i showed it to prove that these cops are NUTS.. threatening to shoot his head off if he MOVED ?? These guys are NOT wearing MASKS, GLOVES, or HIDING their guns!!!!!!!!!! ONLY CRIMINALS DO THAT…… just because cops are employed by the city, does NOT make them any different from these guiys.. they BOTH walk around openly carrying firearms, with no masks or gloves.. on PUBLIC streets. That city needs to PRIVATIZE their police force so HONEST citizens are not HARRASSED!

  • Bryan Reavis

    Permitless concealed carry is legal in Both Vermont and Alaska. Both states have witnessed a reduction is violent crime since passing that law.

  • Bryan Reavis

    Threatening to execute two men who had committed no crime isn’t harassment?

  • Bryan Reavis

    That you think this guy is a “nice cop” tells me that you’re prepared to put up with a lot more fascism than I am.

  • Bryan Reavis

    To say:
    “I support the 2nd Amendment 100%. But there’s a difference between
    exercising your Constitutional rights and being a show-off, just because
    you can”

    Is the same as saying:
    “I support the right to free speech 100%. But there’s a difference between saying what you want and criticizing your government because they’ve acted unethically.”

    What part of “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” do you not understand?

  • Bryan Reavis

    Perhaps the “good” cops should start by cleaning house. By allowing the “bad” cops to keep working, the “good” cops are complicit in their wrongdoing.

    “Attend to the beam in thy own eye, before attending to mote in thy neighbor’s”
    Matthew 7:5

  • Bryan Reavis

    So a man who assaults you should be lauded for not raping and killing you?

  • Bryan Reavis

    The cop is the enforcement arm of the government. Congressman Numbnuts isn’t going to shoot me, Senator Scaredy-pants isn’t going to confiscate my weapons, and President Dumbshit won’t be the one forcing me into a prison camp.

    It will be a cop.

  • Bryan Reavis

    That you assume these men are idiots, speaks volumes about you.

  • TJJ300

    I trust CCW’s more than I trust law enforcement. Cops seem to go for their guns first because there is little retrobution for killing a potential perp. At most they get a desk job for a couple months. An armed citizen makes sure that lethal force is necessary before using their weapon.

  • Panzerkampf Wagen

    Fuck you, no RAS. No right to stop under threat of death, this cop should be in prison

  • Panzerkampf Wagen

    No duty to investigate and it wasn’t a complaint, it was a woman just staing the guy was walking with a gun doing nothing threatening.

  • Panzerkampf Wagen

    Bullshit, cop is an oathbreaking pile of shit

  • Panzerkampf Wagen

    He was walking with a gun. How is that shiwing off? Stfu and sit at the back of the bus with all the other sheep.

  • grymmycat

    The kid should have been more cooperative in regards to giving personal info, and not been such an ass towards the cops, other than that, he was doing nothing wrong.

  • PYS

    I am a CCW person with a store which buy’s gold. I have large signs which say, paying cash for gold. This tells the public that I have two things on premises. Cash and Gold. I recently had a man come to my front door that I buzzed in. Once in I notice his open carry side arm. Unlike the analogy given by this officer I did not shoot him in the head. I did try to explain to him that it probably wasn’t a good idea to come into a establishment like mine with a weapon. He said well you didn’t have a sign saying they were prohibited. He was right, and I told him so. There was no scary confrontation, no argument just a request by me that he not do it again. I have since put up a sign so as not to confuse anyone who is carrying out their constitutional rights. I do not see a open carry as a threat. I grew up in a different era, where men carried gun on their side, hanging on the back window of their truck or slung over their shoulder. They freely entered the store to buy ammo during hunting season and never took off their guns before entering. Isn’t is a sad state of affairs in our land when we condemn people for expressing their constitutional freedoms rather than supporting them.

  • Jason Neal

    From what experience or body of evidence are you drawin that conclusion?

  • American Response

    Fact is…
    Guns are on the Street, Shown or Concealed… does not matter.. they are there. And will always be. That wont ever change.

    The
    call came in, because “SOMEONE” saw that a man Carrying a Gun is a
    OUT-OF-SORTS , reason to call 911.. was there an Emergency? Did they
    Call the Police Station instead? an say, there is a man with a weapon on
    his back walking down the street, or a man with a GUN!!!… What was
    the Real Reason in Accepting that call? and 4 cops later… you say that
    the Private Gun Holders are wasting the cops time… how about the
    person that called them in the first place?

    The issue is, PEOPLE
    are ONLY ok with Military (Occupation) and Law Enforcement Officers
    with OPEN CARRY. IN AMERICA, THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! In a Land where GUNS
    are written in as a RIGHT of ALL People, not of some.

    We the
    People have become soft, in order to make a Constitution RIGHT an
    Out-of-sorts Reason to call the cops. If the mere Sight of a Gun on a
    Mans Back is a Threat as much as a man pointing a knife at someone with
    intent, we have failed as a nation.

    I Applaud theses boys/men…
    for i rather know who the good shooters are, verse those i cannot see.
    Not to forget, the more GOOD PEOPLE with Arms Open or Concealed, the
    less people will see them as a threat and our nation will be less
    Terrified, as intended.

    To be Honest, im more terrified by Cops
    Combined with the Aggressive, Demanding/Commanding Attitudes, than i am
    of a man with a rifle on his back…

  • Jason Neal

    It’s called discretion and anyone who is willing and able to bear arms can use some of it. Speaking against the government is not the only application of the first amendment and is irrelevant to this subject. Don’t be so threatened just because someones opinion may not perfectly match yours. We pro gun folls get enough dick jokes as it is.

  • Jason Neal

    So your calendar is clear of personal wrong doing and fault that you are able to correct the police? Holding a good cop complicite for the bad one is rediculous. If only life were that simple. It may comfort you to know that in my LEO experience, there were higher ranking cops who relished the thought of firing another officer. They were always on the lookout for any situation, however minor, that could be turned into a suspension or termination.

  • Rock

    this was far from reasonable, ” im gonna shoot you in the head”. if thats your idea of reasonable i really dont think anyone here can tell you anything.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    So you’re just making sure that all your customers are disarmed for YOUR safety while insuring that they’ll be robbed and murdered in the parking lot.
    You’re a fucking genius.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    Because ALL criminals will see the ‘gun free zone’ sign and immediately not bring in their gun and kill you. They’ll all just run away.
    What you’re doing is no different than what all these anti-gun people are doing.
    All the guns for you, NONE for anyone else. Everything will be a utopia, trust me.
    Brilliant. Just fucking brilliant.
    Good job, Rosie O’Donnell. Good job.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    “Herp derp!! I R skared. I just take everyone’s rights away. That’ll fix everything. I no skared n e more. We only safe when no one haz rights.”

  • Paws

    THIS GUY IS NOT A PRO CONSTITUTION COP… “I dont consent to a search” Oh we are going to play that game… He plays nice but is doing everything to violate their Constitutional rights.

  • Michael Smith

    This is complete bunk … no law is being broken and this stop should not have happened. Get a lawyer!

  • Gilbert Craven

    The part that bothered me the most is that, even though he protested the search, the officer still continued with the credential verification. Now, realizing the gravity of the situation – and the potential ridiculousness of this guy walking around with a “long gun” in broad daylight, for the officer to just take his first name and continue the interaction would have been a better way to handle it all.

    I agree with everything the officer said about this person hurting our Second Amendment rights then helping them, though. I get the guy’s point, but that was not the smartest way to demonstrate his rights. Just my opinion.

  • Brian S Young

    this is a republic. that means i can do what i want as per constitution. the power is with the soveriegn citizen not with a group of other people to decide what they like or dont like. its my right

  • OhioUSMCveteran

    the cop was talking about SOMEONE ELSE shooting the kid

  • Quagmire86

    William:
    Although I concur with the premise of your post, I must take exception to your perception of legal definitions. Specifically, your use of the word, “Brandishing”. Brandishing a weapon is considered an offensive action. Basically, the meaning is to waive it around, to present it in a menacing manner or in such a way to cause alarm. Simply carrying a weapon around, in an open carry manner, is “Bearing”, not brandishing.
    Secondly, you said, “It is OK for them [police] to stop and check the weapons for safety and handling and verifying…”‘; is wrong. If the men were open carrying (which is legal in Wisconsin) and they are not suspected of committing a crime, the police have NO probable cause to stop them. Just because some nervous-nelly called in with a complaint, does not mean that the men committed any crime. The men (according to law) have no obligation to provide ID, consent to a search or to be impeded on their way.

  • Quagmire86

    Grymmycat:
    I disagree. Why should the kid have been more cooperative? State and federal law clearly states that a citizen does not have to present ID if they are not suspected of committing a crime (probable cause). If the kid was doing, “Nothing wrong” then why were they stopped?

  • Quagmire86

    Rusty:
    I don’t believe in “Gun Free Zones” but I am going to have to take “PYS’s” side here. If he is the (private) business owner, he has the right to prohibit weapons on his property (functional word there is HIS property). Even if the business is open to the public, the law allows him to set the parameters of entry onto his property.

  • gman213

    He didn’t threaten to execute them. He told them “if” they made a movement towards their weapon it would be taken as a threat against the officer and would be met with deadly force. Quit hearing what you want to hear, your ignorance is showing. Good God, some of you can’t help yourselves. If the cop is a prick he is a Nazi, if he is nice he is an a$$hole…there is no winning!

  • gman213

    If it concerned her enough to call then it was a complaint/concern or what the average person who is prudent would say “needed looking into”. Try not to be so freaking ignorant.

  • gman213

    Yeah, most cops just can’t wait to kill someone so they have morons like you trying to have them lynched from the highest tree. Sure…douche!

  • Quagmire86

    Well, didn’t you demonstrate your 1st Amendment rights by posting your opinion here? Why shouldn’t the kid in the video be allowed to exercise his Constitutional and State right to bear arms?

  • Christopher Cherrone

    The officer had to investigate the call but went beyond the realm of his job description in “schooling” the man.

  • gman213

    And no one infringed Beavis…he walked away with his gun. Geez

  • Quagmire86

    The thing is this, the cop didn’t even have to investigate this call. A dispatcher, worth their salt, should have inquired if the man was threatening anyone with the weapon. Then pull the information from the caller that the man was simply openly carrying. Then the dispatcher should inform the caller that according to federal and state law, that the man’s actions were completely legal.

  • Christopher Cherrone

    And “if” the man were not legally carrying and on his way to your childs school? The officer acted correctly in responding to the call. Other then that he went beyond what he should have.

  • Christopher Cherrone

    The big thing here is something that seems to be lacking in a lot of people, common sense! Officer stops you, asks for your id, you give it, he checks you, you walk on. Confrontation over. You get upset or belligerent, refuse to show id, whatever, YOU blew the situation. YOU escalated it. I open carry. I get asked all the time. I show, they leave. nuff said

  • Christopher Cherrone

    I agree he had to investigate. His response was much more aggressive then was needed. His demeanor was hostile. “I will shoot you in the head” is not “I will use deadly force.”

  • Panzerkampf Wagen

    Again, police have no right to stop them be it 1 call or 500 calls. Your ignorance of the law is plain to see.

  • Christopher Cherrone

    I dont get what’s going on here. Why do I see some of my posts but not all??

  • Rusty Shackleford

    So cops break the law, violate your rights, and you enable and support it.
    I guess the law only has to be obeyed by us little, worthless, civilians.
    Cops can do whatever they want.
    We get it. ‘Nuff said.

  • Panzerkampf Wagen

    Using your “logic” If I called the cops and said I saw you smoking the cops should be able to detain you with guns drawn because you might be smoking crack.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    AMEN!

  • Christopher Cherrone

    I open carry and use commons sense. When I am approached and they ask for id I give it and my ltc. They wish me a good day and it is over. Being hostile, uncooperative or combative is YOU escalating the situation. The officer has no right to school you in his opinion and so long as you are cooperative it is over quickly. Once in a great while I get a cop that wants to give me his opinion. I wait until he is done and ask him if I may leave. If he persists I tell him I am not interested in his opinion and ask again if I may leave.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    I’m not giving him hell for whatever decision he makes about his own property.
    I’m giving him hell for being a hypocrite and a moron.
    He’s carrying, but he won’t let citizens do the same. As if a criminal is going to say, “woops, I was going to rob the place but I better not because no guns are allowed.”
    If that’s what he wants to do, that’s his right. It doesn’t make him any less of a hypocritical ass clown.

  • Fred

    They were a potential threat! How does he know it’s not two nuts looking for a firefight with the cops or even walking to a place to shoot it up! Telling someone what you will do if they become an active threat is not a threat, it is information. That way if they do something dumber than walking around with a long gun, then the officer warned them! Anyone doing this crap is a moron! The cop is right, these imbeciles are a danger to our rights! And if you say that if this guy walked into a business behind you and you wouldn’t be concerned, you are either a liar or a moron! He accomplished nothing but convincing a lot of moderates that we are nuts!

  • Rusty Shackleford

    Yea, his penis envy partner that he ordered to murder him.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    Does your ass ever get jealous of the sh*t that comes out of your mouth?

  • Christopher Cherrone

    And you wonder why people dont take you seriously?

  • Rusty Shackleford

    I’m really sick and tired of people like this that spread this default perception that anyone with a gun is dangerous, not to be trusted, and guilty. Except for him, of course. He has EVERY right to do whatever the hell he wants on his own property. He has EVERY right to set whatever policy he feels like on his own property. It doesn’t make it right, legitimate, just, or even logical. That doesn’t mean anyone has to like it, agree with it, or support it.
    He’s a hypocrite and he’s just another one of these “pro-gun” people that fully support complete gun control.

  • Fred

    18 minutes is about how long it takes to clear someone and control the situation. Just because someone is not currently an active shooter, at the moment, doesn’t mean they won’t be one in 10 minutes! I have no problem with open carry but carrying a rifle in an urban area, not simply from a house to a car, is NOT NORMAL! Abnormal behavior raises concerns among anyone with half a brain. Additionally, we are not in the vast majority and for now, fortunately, there are enough people on the middle ground that the anti-gunners are having a hard time winning. But just alienate enough people and we will lose! Use you head!

  • Christopher Cherrone

    I create a good relationship with the police and the community to dispel myths about gun owners instead of creating conflict and more abuse. Getting aggressive and creating problems makes it worse. If you are going to escalate a situation you are not helping the cause.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    As I laugh at your pitiful attempt to put words in my mouth and accuse me of thoughts I don’t have and you have no possible way of knowing, I will tell you that I have no problem with people taking me seriously,

    Quoting you completely:
    “And “if” the man were not legally carrying and on his way to your childs school? The officer acted correctly in responding to the call. Other then that he went beyond what he should have.”

    Yea, if the cops responded this way to a thing that never happened.
    No one is talking about the magical land of make-believe but you.
    This is what happened. This is what the cops did. It’s a little thing called reality. But don’t let that stop you.

    Never go full retard.

  • OhioUSMCveteran

    Remember when dad said “if you go looking for trouble, it will find you”? These two hairless wonders thought it would be cool to go out and make a youtube video making a cop look bad. Trouble is they got a cool cop with a quick wit who knew how to deal with them. I am embarrassed by all of the tough guys calling people names in these comments. Openly carrying a long gun down the street, hoping for a confrontation is wrong. it serves no purpose other than to create tension, all for a video. When it goes bad and someone gets killed, how fun will it be? I’m a concealed carrier, avid defender of our 2nd amendment, and I can’t stand cops that act like a jackass. this one was cool. you Call of Duty warriors are going to turn society against us.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    So guys are just standing around minding their own business, and half a dozen cops show up, draw on them, threaten to murder them, then threaten to do it again if they dare have the balls to do absolutely nothing wrong ever again, and it’s the demonstrators that are the ones that are “getting aggressive” and “creating problems” and “escalating a situation”?

    My fault. I should have picked up the new 10th edition New Speak Dictionary.
    Thanks for correcting me. Thank you for your blind allegiance to anyone in a uniform. Thank you for not allowing little things like, facts, reality, and evidence to dissuade you.

  • OhioUSMCveteran

    maybe you should watch it again and pay more attention.

  • Christopher Cherrone

    I realize this makes no sense to you at all but to have over aggressive people like you whipping your dick out to try and intimidate by claiming that its bigger going out and telling people that gun carriers are not aggressive does nothing but hurt.

    Please justify your intimidation attempt by showing me where I made any attempt to put words in your mouth.

  • Christopher Cherrone

    First, they weren’t standing around minding their on business. They were pushing an agenda.

    Second, they didn’t threaten to murder them. There words were more aggressive then needed like “shoot you in the head” instead of “use deadly force” but they did not threaten them. You seem to have missed the word “if”.

    Next I said “Getting aggressive and creating problems makes it worse”. I did NOT say they were getting aggressive.

    You dont seem to grasp the english language and you want to go out and fight for our rights??

  • Rusty Shackleford

    Here.
    “And you wonder why people dont take you seriously?”

    Thanks for setting me straight. You’re absolutely right. gun carriers are all very aggressive I see the light. There should be an immediate registry of all firearms so all these people can be rounded up and put in concentration camps for everyone’s safety. Oh and thank you for taking such an overwhelming interest in my penis.

  • Christopher Cherrone

    And as far as my blind allegiance to a uniform your sad attempt to discredit me has failed miserably due to lack of knowing me. I have had several encounters with bad cops and have helped get them disciplined, removed or jailed for their actions. I believe that the vast majority of police are on the side of the constitution because I have built a good relationship with them. Building relationships solves problems. Do you get any of this?

  • Christopher Cherrone

    Again you go off the deep end.. YOU display aggressiveness and give us gun owners a bad name. I know, I should give up. You cant comprehend the damage you cause.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    I did. I quote, “If you move toward that gun my partner here is going to shoot you in the head.” Maybe YOU should watch it again. This time without your bigoted bias.

    Just because someone is wearing a uniform, it doesn’t make them a hero. ACTIONS make a PERSON a hero. I’m sick of this blind, sycophantic deification of anyone in a uniform. These cops were wrong, period. Flat out ignoring reality and making excuses for them changes nothing.

    That’s okay, don’t let little things like facts, evidence, or reality dissuade you from your blind, unflinching, worship of people in uniforms.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    Yea, you’re totally right. They had no business exercising their 1st, 2nd, 4th, or 5th amendment rights. Threatening to murder someone is totally legit. Cops should do it all the time and people should just accept it. You win. The demonstrators were completely at fault for following the law. The cops were completely justified in committing no less than 4 felonies.

    You want a good cop? Here….

  • Rusty Shackleford

    And here’s the PROPER WAY for a cop to handle an open carry demonstration.

  • Christopher Cherrone

    I’ve tried very hard with you. You seem to want conflict. You didnt listen to video. You dont read what I write, although I must apologize for one thing. It should have said “and DO you wonder why people dont take you seriously.” I realize that word “do” should have been there and I thought it was but I was wrong. That does change the whole meaning of the sentence.

    Know this YOUR constant aggressive attitude and others like it has has done nothing but make us look worse and worse. There is a time and a place for revolution. Showing the people that YOU are an aggressive gun owner makes us all look bad. You, and others like you, push and push and push then get all upset and say its the other guys fault when you are pushed back. You do not represent good gun owners with your attitudes. You are only proving our adversaries claims.

    We can not give up our rights but if we fight for them wrongly by abusing them then what do we gain? Nothing but more advisories.

    I’m proud to say I Served in the United States Marines. I have a lifetime license to carry and I open carry often. I have established a very good relationship with the decent cops in every place that I have lived. My ways work all over the United States as I see several organizations using these methods to change the poor attitudes of thousands about guns. I need not prove anything about myself to you or anyone else but I believe I have made a good effort to educate you so that you do not destroy the work of many. I was wrong to believe that could be accomplished. I do hope and pray someone else can help you.

  • OhioUSMCveteran

    Yes, he told him if he moved toward the weapon his partner would shoot him in the head. He also told him that carrying the rifle through town might result in another citizen shooting him out of fear. The original poster is convoluting the two statements. No worship here…and no love for asshole cops. I’ve met plenty of idiots, in and out of uniform. The fact, evidence, and reality is that 2 armed knuckleheads are out to video a confrontation with police. Not real bright. Just put a little more stress into a cop’s day.

  • OhioUSMCveteran

    I have been around enough accidental discharges to be VERY uncomfortable around people carrying rifles. Re: those “dicks” taking AR-15s to Starbucks even AFTER the company asked them to stop. THERE IS NO REASON TO BRING YOUR AR-15 TO STARBUCKS. Walk through that door with a rifle and every CCW carrier in the joint is reaching for his Kimber.

  • vulcun1

    I give the officer kudos for being professional and respectful – but the bottom line is that it is society who must change and recognize Americans 2nd amendment constitutional rights- not the other way around merely because of the actions of criminal nut-jobs and media hysteria that Hype gun related crime to the point where they cause mass hysteria and Hoplophobia themselves ! -The more Americans start to open carry in this manner…the more accepted by society it will become and irregardless …it is within the mans constitutional rights to do so . So it is police and society as a whole who need to adjust to adhering to and respecting citizens constitutional rights as well -as the officer knows dam well – any good lawyer would advise him if he had gone ahead and charged this man and take it to court.

  • Dan

    That’s the problem though. There’s this idea, even among some gun owners, that someone with a gun out in the public is up to no good. That just isn’t true, no matter how you look at it. The problem is this assumption, along with the fact that open carrying *is* a rare sight, making it stick out even more.

    Think of it this way: A person driving a car is no threat to anyone else, under normal circumstances. A person driving a car, who is speeding and weaving in and out of traffic and along the shoulder of the road, is a cause for concern.

    It’s the same way with guns. A person with a gun out in public is no threat. A person acting suspiciously or violently out in public with a gun certainly is a cause for alarm.

    In either case, the tool itself is not any reason for alarm. It’s the manner in which the tool is being used. This is the biggest reason why I support open carry- to educate and normalize it around others. Concealed carriers have done the same thing for years, but they have hidden it. (Certainly there are tactical reasons for doing so, but I’m going to leave that for sake of simplicity) It’s time to ‘come out of the closet’ and let the world know that it’s OK to be a gun owner, to be responsible, and to display that to the people around you.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    If you ONLY have a right so long as you never use it “or else” than you don’t have that right. Simply open carrying, demonstrating is NOT an abuse of the 1st amendment or the second amendment. There needs to be interactions with cops. Bad things need to happen. Because without it, no one sees it, it’s not brought out into the light, and NOTHING changes.
    No different than the equal rights movement, women’s suffrage, or any other civil rights demonstration. Now, just as then, there will be detractors posing as supporters stating it only hurts the cause.
    IF you want things to change, you have to change them. Hiding your shame, going home, and crossing your fingers hasn’t worked in the last 100 years of gun ownership. Why the hell would it work now?

  • TJJ300

    When was the last one lynched, pinhead? Even when it’s cut and dried murder, they hold a puppet Grand Jury who refuses to indict. I can show you long lists of people shot by police where it was a blatant excessive use of force. The Police should not be treated differently than the rest of the public.

  • Manuel Falcon

    Either or no one would shoot someone just for having a firearm, they would always wait to see what they are doing. Could be an undercover for all the good samaritan knows.

  • Tonya from NC

    I dont think the police officer did anything wrong. I believe he was respectful of these idiots rights to carry a gun. I believe he did not speak out of turn in any way to them. These two guys who were walking around with their guns knew what they were doing, and knew they were going to garner attention. Then they were going to scream that their 2nd Amendment rights were violated. I am from North Carolina, I am VERY PRO 2nd Amendment and have no plans ever to give up our guns in our house! However, its morons like this that will cause us to have to lay down our rights, just so they can make a statement. They were causing a scene and most definitely would have looked threatening if they walked into a restaurant or anywhere else carrying guns like they were. If I wouldve been sitting in a place they walked in to with my children, I would have surely felt my children were at risk.. These days, people are nuts and you dont just assume that someone with a gun is exercising their 2nd Amendment rights when they come walking in with a pistol in their right hand and a rifle on their back… Im going to assume that they mean us harm, and probably shoot them in the head, as the officer said… 2nd Amendment rights doesnt give you the right to act like a moron.. and it doesnt give you the right to try to have MY right to carry taken away because youre stupid!!!

  • Tonya from NC

    You know dang well they were showing off, trying to garner attention.. no normal person walks down the dang road with a pistol in their hand and a rifle on their back “just because”… Thats retarded just to imply… I live out in the country, a rural area for sure.. and even us hicks dont do that… RME

  • TommyG

    The cop LIED. He is NOT THERE TO PROTECT THEM. That has been determined by the court. Meanwhile he uses the time to preach. Get the fuck over it cop you determined in the first 5 minutes that they were fine. Get back to the donuts.

  • evan

    its been done/ look at about 90% of the recent mass shootings, they have all been liberal nuts with psychiatric issues

  • evan

    supreme court ruled that the police have no duty to protect the citizenry/ look it up! second , the cop is not his teacher! he’s there only to enforce the law and if no law is broken he should not be detaining anyone.

  • Quagmire86

    Tonya:
    Their 2nd Amendment rights were not violated since they were allowed to keep their guns. But their 4th Amendment rights certainly were violated by this warrantless search and seizure.
    In the latter part of your post I would like to point something out that is a problem. You said, “…that someone with a gun is exercising their 2nd Amendment rights when they come walking in with a pistol in their right hand and a rifle on their back.”. The problem with that scenario is if someone has a pistol in their hand, that is (legally) called brandishing and is unlawful. Wearing a rifle on one’s back or having a pistol in a holster is called bearing arms. If someone is brandishing their weapon, yes they can be drawn upon by others. But if the are simply openly carrying, according to the state’s laws, that is a legal form of carry.

  • William Woodruff

    i open carry everyday a pistol on my side i have never been stopped or questioned about it, police officers is not the problem it’s the idiots behind the trigger

  • Kevin Cox

    I feel the officer handled this in the right fashion. He checked them and did not try to over power. I myself being a gun owner would fully expect to be stopped and checked if I were walking thru my town carrying a long gun. After all they could have just stolen the guns. I do carry concealed but would not carry a long gun thru town I seen several officers on scene which could have prevented them in responding to a real threat. I salute the officers and the way they handled this.

  • Panzerkampf Wagen

    Didn’t have a gun in his hand. Reason for carrying doesn’t matter. 100% legal to carry that way. 100% illegal to detain for carrying.

  • Quagmire86

    I’ve thought about your post for a while before I decided to comment. The part where you stated the cop did not try to “Over-power” seemed a little out of place, at least in my mind. The two guys in the video had 4 to 8 officers around them, the female officer with her gun drawn and the lead officer stating that if they made any furtive movements, they would be shot in the head. Now, put yourself in their shoes in that situation. Would you not feel a little overpowered? I would.
    The part of your post where you talk about being stopped and checked on (while carrying a long gun) because, “After all they could have just stolen the guns”. Do you think the police should stop someone for driving a brand new car for the same reason or is it just pertaining to guns? Just curious how you feel about these things.

  • dcfdofficer

    This is stop and frisk. The fact you are exercising your Wisconsin right to carry is no reason to stoop and question. It would be no different than being illegally stopped because of a sign you are carrying or speaking aloud.

  • Di

    The cop had probable cause to stop and question them, and was very decent to them, and NO not just anyone should be able to walk around with guns, the Police have guns to respond to emergency situations that these boys may have been going to commit,the police didn’t know what they were up to, that’s just a fricken’ dumb statement Anthony, you really don’t understand why the police can have weapons and and other people can’t? Watch the news…dam…

  • Di

    Another thing,you’re free to go jump off a cliff but does that mean you are going to? Hmmmmm?

  • Quagmire86

    Christopher:
    I’ve reviewed the debate you and Rusty have going on here and I feel you are on the wrong side of this issue. Granted, if a person is stopped by the police and are willing to provide an ID, that is their prerogative. But the laws on the books explicitly state that a citizen that is not suspected of committing a crime, they have no obligation to present ID nor are they required to consent to a search. If there is a suspicion that a subject may be involved in criminal activity (probable cause) the police shall perform a quick pat-down for weapons (Terry v. Ohio). So, if a person who is openly carrying within the confines of state law, that in and of itself cannot be the reason for an investigative stop/detention by the police. There has to be some other reason that the police believe a crime has been committed to require the subject to supply ID.

  • Quagmire86

    Christopher:
    I really have to disagree with what you posted here. When you stated, “…they weren’t standing around minding their o[w]n business. They were pushing an agenda”. It is really inconsequential if they had an agenda or not, they weren’t breaking the law. Are you saying that protesters who are gathered for an event such as Pro-life or Pro-Choice, they should be detained by the police too? Because that is pushing an agenda.
    I’m somewhat at a loss for you using the word, “Aggressive”. I know you used the word in a previous post but you were not clear as to which person/side was being aggressive. Very confusing because it was not clarified or assigned to a party within your example.
    And finally, on a lighter and more ironic note, your last sentence you said, “You don[‘]t seem to grasp the [E]nglish language and you want to go out and fight for our rights??” Although, in the second sentence of your second paragraph, you used the wrong usage of the word, “There”. It should have been, “Their” (the possessive usage of the word). Plus the two typo’s in your last sentence. You didn’t put the apostrophe in the word, “Don’t” and you didn’t capitalize the letter “E” in the word, “English”. Not that I’m judging, I have my own share of typo’s but if your going to hammer someone about comprehension of the spoken/written word, it would behoove one to ensure your own entries are correct and true. (Just saying).

  • M. Sage

    This is what passes for a “good” encounter with police these days? The cop makes thinly-veiled threats to murder these men, tips his hand and puts those threats in perspective when he admits that he has “a pretty good idea what this is about”, and this is a GOOD encounter?

    The cop tries his damnedest to hit these guys with carrying in a school zone, and you call the cop pro-2A? Give me a break.

    His tone is obviously patronizing through the whole encounter, especially when he’s throwing threats around.

    What the hell is wrong with us that we consider this cop a good one!? Or maybe it’s not us, and it’s the cops have lowered the bar so far that this actually is a good one.

  • Quagmire86

    Christopher:
    But you cannot prove a negative. What I mean is: The police cannot assume guilt on a party where there is no probable cause. The kids in the video were not breaking any laws. This is not a “Minority Report” situation where they (police) can stop/arrest you for a future crime that has not occurred yet. The police had no probable cause or even reasonable suspicion that that the kids were carrying weapons illegally. The law, as it stands, does not prohibit open carry. For an individual to open carry, in accordance with the law, cannot be the reason for the stop. The officer has to articulate what crime the subject is suspected of committing to perform a “Stop and Question”. The officer can respond to the call but the subject has no obligation to submit to a detention stop due to the fact that he was not suspected of committing a crime. To determine if the weapons are legal and the kids are allowed to possess the weapons cannot be the reason for such a stop.

  • OvidiuGOA

    this cop is an ok dude, i wish all cops would be like this. What a totally different approach then the other video. Granted, these guys have signs and all that, their intentions are clearly shown, while the guys in the first video just walk around with guns. I dunno, im torned on this one, on one hand you do have your rights and amendments but also the cops need to be sure you are not a threath so in a way what happends in the first movie is understandable. When more and more people star to open carry the others will get used to it and maybe cops will not be so uptight when they see 2 guys on the street open carying. But you will lose your second amendment until then so…

  • Quagmire86

    LOL. Rusty, can I get your permission to use that line during my next debate at work?

  • DontB_Afraid2Think

    How exactly would this so-called “pro 2nd Amendment officer” recommend someone open carry?
    He admitted that he views anyone with a weapon as a threat. He is definitely NOT a pro 2nd Amendment cop, but unfortunately shares the gun fear hysteria of far too many policeman.

  • DontB_Afraid2Think

    No one in the video was “testing cops”. In this case the officer was the aggressor and clearly in the wrong.

  • suqsid4

    Had enough after 8 minutes. While the LEOs were respectful, the paternalism was overbearing.

  • suqsid4

    I noticed that when checking replies not all posts are shown. But when looking back at the raw thread, they’re usually there.

  • NukeFandango

    Trolling the cops is as immature and narcissistic as it is pointless. “Look at me, everybody, I’m making a great big stinkin’ scene and then video taping it so everyone can see how 2nd Amendment I am!”

    It blows my mind how many idiot commenters on here are suggesting that the cops had no right at all to stop and investigate two men walking around, one of them with a long rifle, or that the cop telling them that he’d shoot them if they made a threatening movement was somehow excessive or wrong. For a bunch of hard core patriots there sure are a lot of whiny bitches here when it comes to the police. And newsflash, the cop was right; in a country where crime runs rampant, if you are armed with a weapon and make sudden threatening movements around somebody else with a gun (like a police officer), you are asking for a bullet between the eyes. Duh. If you’re going to jump into this game, grow a pair of balls and stop whining when the police remind everyone that they’ve got a fucking right to self defense as well.

    The open carry crowd is probably one of the worst things the pro-gun movement has ever produced. They’re a bunch of tactically unsound manchildren who don’t carry for self or home or family defense; they do it to cause a scene under the guise of exercising their rights. Look, you have a right to be an extremely annoying douchebag, it isn’t illegal, but don’t fucking paint yourself as a martyr when everyone around you hates you. The same thing goes for randomly carrying around an M4. You CAN, but that doesn’t mean you SHOULD.

    I know most of you will always hate the police regardless of what they do, but luckily you don’t represent the vast majority of responsible, non-idiot gun owner patriots of this nation. Go ahead and keep on fighting imaginary battles against the evils of the police asking to see your ID; the rest of us will deal with the real problems, like Feinstein.

  • Justin Martin

    The police have the right to stop anyone.

  • Scott Wilson

    The post above says we need more cops like this.

    The cop threatened to shoot him in the head three times or to have him shot in the head. Had the citizen said the same thing in reply — go for your gun and I’ll shoot YOU in the head, nothing personal — he’d have been violently assaulted and charged with a felony.

    The cop also threatened him in at least two other ways.

    The cop brought backup who had her gun drawn — a threatening action if ever there was one. She also more than once aimed her muzzle in a direction that a ricochet would’ve hit the citizen AND her fellow thug.

    The cop asserted opposition to his rights even while acknowledging his rights — not a cop’s job and is in fact an insult.

    The cop bullied him into giving up his personal information.

    The cop tried to use some “distance from a school” bullshit and LOOKED for a reason to arrest him while calling him “stupid” for exercising his rights.

    The cop said he would “cap” a guy for merely opening carrying into a gas station.

    If you think we need more cops like that, I think you’re a blind little baby, Rick Wells, “conservative libertarian.”

  • Long Colt

    I believe the officers responded correctly. With the crap going on they HAVE to determine if you are/are not a threat. They acted on a complaint and these guys should have had sense to carry signs and not shoulder guns. A ccw permit and a sign was all that was needed to spread the word. There are many who ccw and I am one of them. I would also perceive them as a threat. The cops didn’t over react in this case, they kept themselves safe w/o using deadly force as some would have. As a ccw person myself, I think they did quite well in educating these guys.

  • Brad Cooper

    Are you kidding me? This cop is talking out of both sides of his mouth. He’s basically saying “You’re hurting the Second Ammendment by exercising your Second Ammendment right.” What was his reasoning? Because “Gun control advocates find what you’re doing egregious and will rally for more gun control.” What Mr. Barney Fife is really saying is this. “I don’t want you to exercise your 2nd Ammendment right because it could possibly put me in a position where I would have to choose between my core beliefs and enforcing illegal laws against guns. I don’t want to put my job in jeopardy by having to face my own convictions when the MINORITY crams it’s agenda down our collective throats…You know, because I’d probably choose to keep my job and not be able to look myself in the mirror when I go home at night. If you agree with this cop you really need to question your American Patriotism. “Sure we have the right to bear arms, but we better not do it because the British might not like it.” Said NO Founding Father Ever.

  • London

    I can’t believe how many people are singing this guys praises for handling the situation well. He threatens to kill the detainee several times, gives him an unneccessary lecture, and makes a pissy comment about asserting your fifth amendment rights being a game.

  • Big Mike

    Why is the woman officers gun unholstered?????

  • Big Mike

    Held at gunpoint for 20 minutes getting lectured by this cop.

  • Darius Necro

    I understand the law enforcement officer’s message. however, think about it. its not the man with the gun on his back or in a holster you need worry about so much, they could of killed him anytime before he brought his gun to firing position. its the ones you don’t see that you need to worry about, the ones that are somewhat hidden that should alarm people. this man was just doing what he felt he needed to. the law enforcement was just doing their job. i feel that such open carry of rifles is going to be used against those who care about firearms. I support those who do it. (I would go to a rally and open carry like they did in texas) For my own choice however, i believe the risk of getting killed by freaked out police is high if alone. I can think of many reasons to lay down one’s life for your rights, by accident is not one of them. Police get away with killing innocent people everyday “by accident”.

  • Demonic

    how is a warning harassment?

  • Nick

    Why are people bitching about the on scene time? You are aware that officers, firefighters, and medics all use times like this to educate and build public relations. His comments about if the individual made any movements he would be shot in the head were cut and dry honest truths not some sugar coated candy assed bullshit. He wasn’t harassing in any way and couldn’t have gone about this stop in any better way.

  • Quagmire86

    Nuke:
    I read your post and I don’t completely agree nor disagree with your postion. Simply, it is how you delivered your message above. Look, the 2nd Amendment and gun-control issues is a “Hot-button issue”. Using words/phrases such as: “Whiny bitches”, “Manchildren”, “Idiots”, etc… tends to fuel the flames of this topic. You can make your point without derogatory comments. But hey, it’s your 1st Amendment right to do so. “You can, but it doesn’t mean you should”.
    Now, you nor I know these two kids (in the video) and cannot say for sure if they were, “Trolling” the cops. Simply don’t know. It may be an exercise that is “Immature” and “Narcissistic” but it definitely not, “Pointless”. You even elude to that fact in your folling sentence when you said, “Look at me, everybody, I’m making a great big stinkin’ scene…”. If they are making a big scene (according to you), that IS their point. So, no. It was not pointless.
    Point number 3: “Idiot commenters” that suggest the cops had no right to investigate (at all) to stop and investigate these two guy. I’m going to preface my response with current standing law and legal precedence. The police have a right to investigate a complaint made by another citizen. But the police have no legal recourse to detain these two citizens due to the fact that the police had no probable cause that a crime has or was about to occur. Stopping them merely for the act of open carry, with is legal in that state, cannot be the sole reason for the legal detention. You even admit that fact in your third pargraph.
    Personally, I wouldn’t go around with an M-4 strapped to my back, but in my state, there is nothing that says I cannot or it is illegal. I am pro-2nd Amendment, pro-cop and I carry concealed everyday. And, due to my job, I carry open everyday I work. But the tone of your post tends to divide the two camps (concealed v. open carry). We should all be fighting for the same cause, I just think you could do it without calling people names that you disagree with.

  • Quagmire86

    What was the legal reason or probable cause for the detention?

  • Gregory E Felton Lmt

    “Exercising your constitutional rights hurts the constitution.”

    Why do cops with IQ’s equivalent to toasters receive a badge?

  • Robert Pennington

    as soon as more responsible adults care firearms in the open it will alleviate this kind of situation. itwillbecomethe norm and crime will be less as well

  • mystery

    Wrong, by that token, you would feel safe if anyone walked into your neighbourhood with a weapon out. The cop acted great, calm, ensuring distance, ensuring understanding. Not antagonising. What is a threatening movement? No movement is until he raises and fires. So why is it ok for police to carry, well they are the police. Suppose everyone carries, as the cop said, if he walked into a place carrying a weapon and acts in a threatening way, a lot of people may decide to terminate the threat. If a guy pulls a gun and shoots and another guy sees a gun raised and fires but not the first guy, then he fires at the shooter, another person sees shooter 2 and shoots him, person 4 sees this and fires too. THAT is why there is no need for everyone to wear weapons. And it is true when people see a danger they campaign and agree with gun control. It is your right to breath but you don’t exercise that right in a room of cyanide gas, sometimes it is advisable to choose when and where to exercise the rights

  • mystery

    And again true, but…..suppose the cops analogy of guy walks into gas station with a weapon, the cop decides ok fine carry on and walks out, the weapon carrier shoots and steals. This happens again and again. But they ignore it. They get calls about a guy near a school with a gun, they ignore it because everyone is entitled to walk down the road with a rifle. The school gets shot up.
    Another guy with his right to carry gets scared because the cops ARE walking away from gun carriers and gun crimes increasing, so he shoots and kills. In the first two examples, 2nd amendment rights assure death for many. In the final example, it ensures death for an innocent person who just HAD to exercise his rights, and prison for the frightened father who thought he was protecting his family, and the police? In BOTH cases, they would be slammed for doing nothing.

  • http://rosiewolf.com/ ROSIEWOLF

    EXACTLY what i said Scott.. on another web site that posted this video.. if more cops were like that.. i’d be too scared to even leave my house. We are natural-born citizens, we don’t need these kind of lessons from a gestapo police force!

  • http://rosiewolf.com/ ROSIEWOLF

    WRONG. someone intending to commit a crime does NOT show his weapons in plain sight. They HIDE them so that they DONT get stopped or questioned. In every case of gun violence at a school, in a place of business.. the GUNS are ALWAYS HIDDEN. sorry for shouting, but some people dont read the small print.

  • http://rosiewolf.com/ ROSIEWOLF

    true. case in point.. the lady who tried to ‘visit’ the white house in oct, with her child in the car. they blasted her with bullets in a remake of Bonnie and Clyde, with her child in the car.. and she was UNARMED! (except for her vehicle of course).. yet, she had to die in such a manner? Did she try to run over anyone with her car?? no.. so the MOST they should have done was kill the CAR.. not HER!

  • Kraznov

    Being an Oath Keeper is a great idea, but I don’t want to be associated with people who think their own government staged 9/11 and think jet liners are spraying mind control drugs. These people also support a cowards like Snowden.

    I can be an oath keeper without joining a group. I am a soldier in combat arms, who won’t preform or be apart of martial law. See? I’m an oath keeper.

  • Quagmire86

    The “Oath Keeper” organization is (IMO) a respectable group. As far as “InfoWars” and Alex Jones, I think he is a snake oil salesman, a charlatan and a publicity wh*re. I don’t believe any of the stuff he publishes.

  • mystery

    No need to apologise, you clearly don’t get what i am saying. In as much as these had weapons openly displayed, if that became the norm to do and cops are discouraged from doing anything, as the two would have had, and some people on here would have. Then there is no need to hide a gun. Just mosey on down the road with your chosen weapon slung over your shoulder and no one will bat an eye. it is a second amendment right in practice, until they let loose. All people licensed to carry should have to have the weapons concealed except police. As there is zero need to carry larger than a handgun, if one conceals an assault rifle it is harder to take from cncealment and begin firing. It should never be that people can freely stroll around with weapons out

  • Panzerkampf Wagen

    Lol you idiot. Cite case law or stfu.

  • De Gosh Reed

    Your point rests on the assumption that people are not also conceal carrying all the time. Having a gun does not make people shoot something up, but having a gun that some one can see may make a potential terrorist (thats what you described) rethink his target, or if he truly is mentally handicapped have the means to stop his rampage. Protecting your self and others is much better than calling some one that can. If you don’t know about fire arms or are scared to own one, its ok. There are people in this world who are trained on fire arms carry, and will do the right thing when called to do so. In almost every store you walk into there are people with concealed fire arms, you are in no more danger if they carry openly. Next time you see me out know I carry for my protection first, but i will also act to protect you if called to. I am your local firearms owner.

  • De Gosh Reed

    We are the majority and you sir need to calm down. A gun is a gun no matter if it is under clothing or is visible. you are falling for the trap of perception is better than reality.

  • De Gosh Reed

    I carry in Alaska, no permit both open and concealed. Every one has guns, no one worries about it.

  • mystery

    Personally, i don’t object to you or anyone carrying, i wouldn’t simply because i would never want to kill unless it was really the only choice i had. All i think is, that i would be uncomfortable with just anyone having guns openly, and also it would be nice if all gun owners had to have some mandatory training. But as many do by choice that’s a start.

  • De Gosh Reed

    The NRA and the military both have programs that train youth in the safe and lawfully use of fire arms. We never want to government to “force” us to do anything, but offering these programs and incentaviceing responsible gun owners would go a long way in educating the public. Let’s clear this up you don’t have an issue with lawfull gun owners, you want to keep us all safe from criminals. An honorable cause, that has been proven to be possible with more responsible gun owners. Conversely gun free zones and restrictive gun laws have been proven to reduce safety and increase criminal boldness. The men in this video you may not be comfortable with but nether are the criminals.

  • david286

    Now this is the professional way to conduct the same stop. No threats or guns drawn.

  • DocRides

    Bryan, I’m all for that if it’s the Law because it removes the Pressure on the Cops to Enforce the Laws that Almost everyone on here disagrees with….The Problem is the Cops in this Video are required to Enforce the Law that’s on the Books in their State…May not be what Y’all wantr but it is what it is! Get the other 48 in line with Alaska & Vermont and this Bullshit all goes away!

  • DocRides

    Not something I’d want to happen but just remember Murphy’s Law….

  • DocRides

    Good for you….Not my experience, though I wish it were true.

  • http://rosiewolf.com/ ROSIEWOLF

    i did not apologize and never will. most of u morons who claim to be 2nd amendment proponents fail to remember ur history. 150+ yrs ago there were no gun-control nonsense laws.. nearly everyone wore one on their hip, including women, they had rifles in scabbards on their horses, they didn’t need background checks and licenses or anything else as stupid. and yep, criminals had them too.. out in the open, pull and shoot during bank robberies etc., but those other guys with guns, would shoot them back! most small towns didn’t have any kind of law enforcement, it was the citizens who protected themselves and their town businesses. when the government started taking away the rights of regular citizens to carry weapons of protection, is the era of Bonnie & Clyde, BabyFace Nelson, the ‘mobs’ etc etc. and today, more CARS kill people than GUNS do.. but u don’t need a background check to get a driver’s license and buy a car do u? and buying/owning/driving a vehicle is NOT a right under the Bill Of Rights or any amendment to the Constitution. But does every driver on the road get stopped because they MIGHT cause an accident and kill people? NOPE. IJS.

  • mystery

    Morons? i am neither pro or con any amendment, i am not American. But let’s be blunt, some of you are so bothered about guns that you would go to hell to keep a weapon, if God said “This way to peace and goodwill with no need for weapons”
    Personally if they could stop criminals having guns i would say stop all guns by any but cops, except they can’t do that sufficiently.
    But i think you are funny, because i wonder if while you advocate walking around casually with weapons, would you be merry and laughing if a person strolled into a childs school like it. Or if you are in a mall and someone walks around the corner with a rifle?
    You can BS me on the internet, but don’t BS yourself. You would NOT be comfy with people just casually strolling round with weapons.
    How desperate are you to be heroes or killers?
    You practice enough to stop a shooter in a crowded mall or school? Or you HOPE to, or is it you just like the prospect of killing who you call a bad guy?
    And how the hell, if you aren’t there when the “bad guy” draws his hidden weapon (i assume the bad guys don’t shoot invisible guns from behind smokescreens) can you differentiate between a bad guy that did some shooting, the good guy backing away from a shooter with his gun out, an undercover cop with gun out or a looter taking advantage of the situation with gun out, or just your average joe who just have there gun out because you say they should be able to? What do you do as you walk round the corner with your expert marksmanship? Gun the lot down?

  • mystery

    Best idea is, people live the lie they believe. I stated no objection to guns, just not open, and yes i would rather abolish all guns IF they could stop all criminals having access and the government could be trusted. But that will never be. So as you love the weapons on show policy, do a regular guns on show walk by a school where there are pro gun parents, do a regular walk past shops owned by NRA members. I bet after it becomes the norm, as soon as you slacken off, there will be an armed robbery or similar. And when the cop walks on by the weapon carrier, you will later bitch like hell they should of stopped him. Forgetting that you turned open carry normal so he fit right in.
    OR if the cops are asses, go be one you lovely person you.
    Oh and remember that when the person you face has a gun and they go reaching, don’t warn them that you will use force, dont even use force just let what happens happen. Leave a will explaining that because the propensity of gun carriers grabbing at their weapon usually result in shots at cops or others, the fact is, they will shoot first. If only they gave away common sense with gun rights. People may be a bit fairer to all sides

  • Tony

    This Cop is all that is wrong with the Police! This asshole makes numerous threats of death on a seemingly law abiding Citizen! Turn the tables and the Citizen goes to jail! I love that Cops think the are the law and you must do anything they say! Fight them! Do not abdicate one more right to them! Who the fuck is this asshole to chastise them?? Paternalistic Cocksuckers!!!

    And I’m sorry but why does every pig have to be SO FUCKING FAT??!!

  • Scott Watkins

    the thing i don’t get is if your trying to make a statement make the statement walk around with a sign and a weapon asking people and saying you support the 2nd , and people will become more aware and more supportive. I know we don’t have to do that ,but it makes more sence than scaring the crap out of an old lady. we need to calm the sheep, not scatter them.BTW i an a CCW holder

  • JustTheTruthNoMoreLies

    These cops know that we the people are getting to know our rights so they try to lie about being pro gun. They are being trained on how to lie to us and try to make us believe that they are going to punish us and our second amendment if we keep exercising out rights, that’s bull crap if everyone of those houses behind the civilians came out with their guns and rifles there wouldn’t be a need for the cops in that community but they don’t want to lose their pensions so they will lie. You heard the cop say we are here to protect you, yeah right no one believes that anymore more like we are here to kill you. We need to keep on doing this and encourage our neighbors to do the same because this is how we will prevent crime in our neighborhoods. And NO we don’t live in a society where you have to blow my brains off. That is another lie of these corrupted cops. You can hear them really trying to look for something to get them on. Understand that their job is to make money, they are code enforcers. They were desperately trying to find something on them it’s not even funny. They were mad they couldn’t bust them so they call them stupid but this video clearly shows that the title of this article should have been Fake Pro-Second Amendment Officer Receives Important Lesson From Open Carry Real Pro-Second Amendment Demonstrators.

  • FallenHeros

    We are going to shoot you in the head was repeated. The officer thought an illegal search of the man’s ID was playing a game. This is still wrong.

  • Gregory D Allen

    Someone “calling in a complaint” should not be justification to detain someone, like this. I understand what the officer was saying, and in many ways agree with him. However, when someone calls in “man with a gun”, the dispatcher should inform the caller that carrying a firearm is legal. If I call in “man with a screwdriver” the police will not respond this way. However, both items are potentially deadly. BTW, I agree with much of what the officer was saying.

  • Al Lock

    “A danger to your rights” ? By exercising their rights?

  • Al Lock

    Per the Supreme Court, law enforcement does not have a duty to STOP crime or to protect people. They have a duty to apprehend those who have broken the law. Until a crime has been committed, they have no duty and no rights.

  • Citizen

    was no one else upset by the female officer with the drawn weapon in a combat ready stance? That right there is aggression, and harassment!

  • THEyardpilot

    They were detained, however.Now, you mention the term “cooperate fully.” Why do you think that doesn’t apply to the police, too? Should they not be required to cooperate with and respect the people with whom they interact?

  • THEyardpilot

    You don’t see that as a threat?

  • THEyardpilot

    Excuse me, but I have walked into many business and interacted quite well with armed people. What is it about them that troubles you, hmm?

  • THEyardpilot

    I would rather see people like you educated about guns, gun owners and the law. You could use it.

  • THEyardpilot

    People do it all the time without there being a problem. You must live in a city if you have no experience with that.

  • THEyardpilot

    The police are eleven times more likely to shoot the wrong person than a non-LEO in a confrontation.

  • Rob Purdie

    “If you can get a headshot in from that distance before I can react, you’re either in The Matrix or luckier than $#!%.” But, I’m not going to be a jerk like you. Tell me what you want me to do and I’ll do it.

  • ar12

    Police handled it professionally and very well. I really don’t understand the point of these people walking down the road with a rifle. This isn’t fucking Afghanistan.

  • RaoulSF

    It would appear Panzerkampf Wagen (usually one word BTW) is correct here:
    (The situation is significantly different, but the outline of the standard to which officer detention / search of citizens is clearly applicable” (See United States v. Mendenhall, 446 U.S. 544, 554 (1980), and Mendenhall, 446 U.S. at 554; Gray, 883 F.2d at 322-23:

    “The court of appeals had two distinct issues to consider on appeal: whether and when Mr. Black had indeed been seized, and whether his seizure had been lawful. The court of appeals thus explained that “[a] lthough brief encounters between police and citizens require no objective justification . . . it is clearly established that an investigatory detention of a citizen by an officer must be supported by reasonable articulable suspicion that the individual is engaged in criminal activity.” Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1, 21 (1968). Furthermore, “[a] person is ‘seized’ within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment if, ‘in view of all [of] the circumstances surrounding the incident, a reasonable person would have believed that he was not free to leave.’” United States v. Mendenhall, 446 U.S. 544, 554 (1980).”

    These two have clearly been detained for engaging in what they claim is, and the officer recognizes as, Constitutionally guaranteed conduct. The fact that another citizen is uncomfortable with them exercising their Constitutional right is immaterial, as would someone who is uncomfortable with the fact you’re wearing blue jeans or a shear top. I can hear the argument now – “Ma’am, we received a phone call from a concerned citizen about the state of your makeup and feel compelled to ensure there’s no problem here,” and then use this to justify someone.

    The LEO was certainly courteous, clear in his communication and the consequence of non compliance (we’ll shoot you in the head”, but ultimately I’d say he detained the two illegally.

  • RaoulSF

    Hell, I’m worried when I see LEOs sporting long rifles – they aren’t really trained in their use, or the rules of engagement employing them. That said, in for a penny in for a pound – if the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms, then any arm that is bearable must be permitted. Swords, numchuks, balisongs, handguns, rifles, assault weapons, 50 calibre sniper weapons capable of blasting someone’s skull at over a mile, Crew served machine guns, mortars, Light Anti tank missiles, Stinger missiles, man pack nuclear weapons. The world will get really interesting really fast.

  • RaoulSF

    Citation?

  • bbgunplinkplink

    If saying he is going to shoot someone in the head is not a threat, I don’t know what is.

  • THEyardpilot

    Hunting season would drive them batshit then.

  • THEyardpilot

    Really? Some people call about anything and everything. Ask any 911 operator. They get calls because orchard fans make noise. They get calls because trains, planes and trucks bother people. They get calls about alien invaders from Earh’s twin planet. They get calls about the local high-school band doing their marching practice.

  • THEyardpilot

    You are adding facts the officer could legitimately take into account. Moving the goal posts.

  • THEyardpilot

    It is not abnormal in a normal society. It is abnormal to the paranoid.

  • Panzerkampf Wagen

    I know but FB wants a first and last name lol.

  • Panzerkampf Wagen

    They didn’t have a pistol in their hand. Even if they were doing it for attention there is nothing illegal about it you ignorant hick.

  • Mike Morvillo

    Who is going to protect us from the police? You are 8 times more likely to be murdered by the police then by a terrorist! We are Not in the age of active shooters and crazy people. The crime rates and mass murder rates are at the lowest point in decades. It is egregious that you can’t exercise your rights with being threatened with “MURDER BY POLICE”.

  • jay

    The officer says…”he’s free to be stupid.” In America we are and MUST BE free to be stupid. When we try to legislate away any opportunity to harm someone or something, we remove freedom from everyone. People MAY commit crimes. When they do we punish them. This was a foolish act, but these guys are and SHOULD BE free to be foolish. We must fight for their rights and pray that they don’t commit a crime.

  • MrIndependent56

    You portray this cop as a level headed, pro second officer, which nothing further from the truth. The only thing this ass hole did was ‘harass’ a real pro second amendment American who was doing what his right allowed. I for one don’t need any damn 15 min. detainment and ‘lecture’ from someone who wears some uniform and should know what my rights are. And what’s with this cop’s constant ‘threat’ about shooting them in their head? If you writers at the NRA agree with this ass hole cop, you’re just as stupid.DB

  • Steven Klein

    Cops have to ask, but they don’t need to be jerks and yes they do need to control the scene. Their are some people walking around that will hurt others.But if everyone had a gun on them, they would not dream of it. People are cowards shooting unarmed innocent people. The cop is right because people are paranoid and may start shooting some one walking around with one. It is a tuff call. Remember the western shows the sheriff would detain all new people in town when they arrived with guns to make sure there would be no trouble?

  • Bradley Wilson

    No
    human has the right to hit or tell another what to do, we are forced to
    live with a non American as the President who coincidentally with no
    help from anyone else resembles a terrorist. We have foreigners trying
    to steal our land with help from the Government, we have savages running
    the streets harming us and then calling it a game. I think the worst
    is yet to come

  • Infidel

    Really? Tell me where in the 4th Amendment that it says the police have the right to stop anyone for any reason without probable cause and or warrant sworn out to a magistrate upon probable cause. Oh you can’t? Your argument is invalid.